Not yet, but I'm going to. What's the rush? Once we have enough votes for a lynch then the day ends. There's so many more people we need to question and things to figure out, like Zero's previous suspicion, Devi and Envoy's radio silence, and Mantha's sudden reversal against Raptor that saved Apex's skin. We should figure things out before moving on.

No one is moving on, but if you're not MAFIA, they could all vote against you and you'd have enough votes to be lynched. So its best to turn the tide. Either way, if you know what you're doing, more power to you.

I keep forgetting devi is even in this game.

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Well, sweet. Definitely bring up that remaining 90% to me some time, because I will happily refute all of it. I want to be very open and clear that I'm for the town and that I can back it up with actions and words.

For starters, I agree that we should vote Apex. Especially because he chose not to protect Boomerang and he was in the skype chat to see that Boomy planned on using it last night. But we also have a lot more suspicious players, and we should question them before trying to end the day.

I wasn't aware of any plans If I was I would have stuck with Boomerang. Do you really expect me to go back and read over 900 messages I missed because I wasn't there in the Skype chat at that time. If they wanted me to use my power then it should have been clear, they obviously didn't care enough.

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I wasn't aware of any plans If I was I would have stuck with Boomerang. Do you really expect me to go back and read over 900 messages I missed because I wasn't there in the Skype chat at that time. If they wanted me to use my power then it should have been clear, they obviously didn't care enough.

Hey, asshole. Before you pull the "they should have been clear but they didn't care excuse", answer me this first.

a) Tell us why you changed your mind from Boomerang to someone else at the last fucking minute.

b) Tell us why you haven't been updating Exilement since the beginning of the game.

c) Tell us what your logic was in protecting Xate.

d) Tell us if you did actually protect someone this round, and if you've updated Exilement now.



Tell us quick, and make your answers convincing. I made a point-by-point explanation, not a clusterfuck answer where you don't answer anything. Tell us things clearly.

Edit: Ninja'd by Nisha Collins.

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No one is moving on, but if you're not MAFIA, they could all vote against you and you'd have enough votes to be lynched. So its best to turn the tide. Either way, if you know what you're doing, more power to you.

I keep forgetting devi is even in this game.

I feel like my defence was pretty clear and logical. I also want people to mention any other suspicion they might have on me so that I can clear it up.

Since no one else is doing it yet, let me get a couple of important questions out of the way:

Envoy, but especially Devi, why are you both being so quiet? Nish said he totally forgets that Devi is even playing, so that looks like its working for him. I feel like both members should be pressured so that we can try to get information out of them.

Zero, you sort of painted a target on Boomerang's back by persistently asking him if he had used his Scry yet. Why did you want to know that so badly?
And if I'm remembering right, you also had some suspicions raised for the same reason Lamitrov raised them against me: Telling Nish that he shouldn't jump people with his Ant powers just to play safe.
My brief talk with you when I just got here still leaves a bad taste in my mouth as well. You seemed very content to let the town stay inactive and quiet, and since recently you've been dipping below the radar along with Devi and Envoy. All game long I've felt moderately suspicious about you, but somehow you stay below everyone's scrutiny.

And finally Mantha (keep in mind I'm mostly pressuring you for information, I'm still reasonably sure you're Town)

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Also, does anyone find it suspicious, looking back, that the vote against Apex just simply cascaded into Raptor? We all voted, all of us. I can't help but feel that something suspicious happened.

It does seem kind of suspicious. The fact that you used "I have intel" on Raptor to push for us to bandwagon vote away from Apex and onto him when you didn't actually have intel that proved him Mafia is brow-raising. I know the random-lynch was looming over our heads, and that was mostly why we all switched over so quickly. What exactly convinced you that we should immediately switch and vote Raptor rather than voting Apex out and then pressuring Raptor the next day?

On Mantha:
I've addressed this with Mantha. I think that once the vote bandwagon started rolling in Raptor's direction, she should have at least come clean about having no intel. But the fact that Exilement too did nothing about it (he could have easily cleared it up saying there is no intel that he knows of) leads me to think he thought it was a viable strategy to push Raptor into answering questions. Unfortunately, it was raptor's own fault for leaving too many loose ends and not addressing them until it was far too late. So while I think it was a misstep on Mantha's part to claim to have intel, I think the blame lies on Raptor himself. It is unfortunate, but its what happens in Mafia. So far, I am satisfied enough with Mantha's playing that I'm pretty sure she isn't Mafia.


On devi:
Something does stink here. I don't know how close Hewitt is to replacing him.


On Envoy and Zero:

I have a strange instinct they might be in cahoots, seeing how they were both trying to tell me that Zero was not at fault for announcing to the world that Ant Man would be safest doing nothing. En has also been silent while Zero has been very chatty, leading me to suspect they're colluding on ideas together, so one sticks his neck out while the other stays under the radar.


Possible Mafia suspicions:

Team One:
Envoy
Zero
Apex

Team Two:
Devour
Zero
Apex

Team Three:
Jelly (assuming he is playing the perfect game)
Apex
Zero

Team Four (aka we're all screwed if this is true):
Jelly
Devour
Mantha or Envoy.
Apex would be an honorary member of this team because his lack of co-operation has led against his win condition.

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Hey, asshole. Before you pull the "they should have been clear but they didn't care excuse", answer me this first.
a) Tell us why you changed your mind from Boomerang to someone else at the last fucking minute.

Hey, dickhead It wasn't the last minute, I changed my mind shortly after I'd already chose to save boomerang. It's simple the person I saved was more valuable to the game imo, if that even matters because it seems all you all want me to do is follow like a ship. And you all seem to think I owe you something, I don't. This is my first time participating in this and it's becoming a little overwhelming.

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b) Tell us why you haven't been updating Exilement since the beginning of the game.

Yeah that has made a mess of things. I completely forgot about Exile's role in this. My Fault.

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c) Tell us what your logic was in protecting Xate.

It was the first night, I thought why I should even protect anyone so yeah no logic behind that. It was random.

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d) Tell us if you did actually protect someone this round, and if you've updated Exilement now.

Yes I did protect someone. And yes.

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Hey, dickhead It wasn't the last minute, I changed my mind shortly after I'd already chose to save boomerang. It's simple the person I saved was more valuable to the game imo, if that even matters because it seems all you all want me to do is follow like a ship. And you all seem to think I owe you something, I don't. This is my first time participating in this and it's becoming a little overwhelming.

Oh fuck off with the pity party already. The way you've played and the sheer apathy you've shown, and the way you completely disregarded even updating Exile (your claim that you forgot his role is pathetic)... none of these qualify as first game jitters. Its just clear and simple laziness. Yeah you do OWE us, as your team mates in a game that you fucking signed up to play. So don't give us that bullshit about not owing us anything. You owe us at least the most basic, non-retarded gameplay.

I'm trying not to be a dick guys, seriously. I was even reminded earlier that maybe I was being really hard on Zero for making a mistake, and I conceded and explained that I wasn't doing it to be an asshole. But once, just ONCE, I'd like to play an awesome Mafia game like this where someone blatantly doesn't care about playing ("I'll vote for myself", "I don't owe you anything", "This is my first time boohoo", "I didn't even know we were supposed to update Exile even though we've had pages of discussion about it") and blame it on being 'new'. It has nothing to do with being new.

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It was the first night, I thought why I should even protect anyone so yeah no logic behind that. It was random.

So instead of protecting someone important, you decided to protect a guy at random who wasn't really contributing great strategy or had powers that could have saved the entire team?

Coincidence number one: You chose at random and saved EXACTLY the guy that the bad guys also decided to hit at the same time.
Coincidence number two: You named a target to Exilement, and then changed your mind WITHOUT telling him who the new target was, and miraculously the Mafia decided to attack your old target.


Stop making yourself sound like a victim here. If you get chewed out for this, you'll deserve every bit of it. If you're not a Mafia, then you've doomed us all because you clearly don't give a fuck about the game.

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On devi:
Something does stink here. I don't know how close Hewitt is to replacing him.

Naturally, what would I expect after not posting for two days.

I've just been thinking a bit about all the players, Apex being the guy who hasn't really been giving a shit about the game, Mantha with the sudden proposition on Raptor, and Zero and Jelly and Envoy seeming to work together to cover each other up. But onto what I specifically wanted to talk about. I just find it so weird that if Mantha wanted to talk about Raptors unwillingness to answer, that she would do it so suddenly, without mentioning it much at all earlier. The lying about the data was weird enough but understandable to prove a point, but the completely out of the blueness of it just seemed strange to me. As if, she was trying to save Apex. Who knows? Apex might just be fucking with us at this point.

Or she could have mentioned it earlier and I didn't see it. So naturally, I'm most likely talking out my ass.


I don't know what you guys want me to tell you that could possibly prove my innocence, the only real reason anyone has their sights on me is because of my lack of activity on the thread. Unless of course there is a reason other than that? Because fucking hell, the only reason I'm not posting and discussing is because I'm not so sure about my ideas and thoughts, I'm looking through every single post and trying to see what everyone's game is. Bah, all I can say I suppose is that I'll try to talk more about the current situation.

I think Mantis has been just as accusatory towards Apex. I think she found Raptor suspicious and prodded him, which is something we all did, seeing how everyone voted for Raptor.

But I suggest taking devi's line of thought to a further extreme. I want to go back and see who all changed their vote from Apex to Raptor. I want to see how many people felt they had a legit reason to vote for Raptor, and how many people were half-assing it because deep down they needed to save Apex.


Note: It also troubles me that Apex offered to vote and lynch himself. Thats not something the Mafia normally does. Its what psychologically happens when an innocent person gives up and doesn't want to argue anymore. Goddammit.

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On Mantha:I've addressed this with Mantha. I think that once the vote bandwagon started rolling in Raptor's direction, she should have at least come clean about having no intel. But the fact that Exilement too did nothing about it (he could have easily cleared it up saying there is no intel that he knows of) leads me to think he thought it was a viable strategy to push Raptor into answering questions. Unfortunately, it was raptor's own fault for leaving too many loose ends and not addressing them until it was far too late. So while I think it was a misstep on Mantha's part to claim to have intel, I think the blame lies on Raptor himself. It is unfortunate, but its what happens in Mafia. So far, I am satisfied enough with Mantha's playing that I'm pretty sure she isn't Mafia.

Alright, I can totally understand that. But this is one thing that bugs me about Mantha's rushing for Raptor's lynching:

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Unfortunately, it was raptor's own fault for leaving too many loose ends and not addressing them until it was far too late.

There was less than a few hours until the random lynch, and we all knew that. It's fortunate that Raptor was online to be able to defend himself at all. The more likely scenario was going to be that everyone turned against Raptor, and he would have woke up the next day to be completely surprised that everyone went straight from Apex to him in the space of 15 minutes and there was nothing he could have done about it.

With so little time, I would have voted Apex dead first because we all know he deserves it, and then questioned Raptor the next day. I wouldn't have pushed for a turnaround knowing that the lynch timer was so close, and I wouldn't have voted at all if I didn't think Manthur knew for a fact that he had to be Skrull.

Yes, I agree. I said before that I wouldn't have voted for Raptor had Mantus not claimed to have some intel on him. But I don't know if it was a deadly enough mistake to make her suspicious. Also the reason the vote bandwagoned is not because of that one claim. Mantha, Jelly and I had been asking Raptors questions for days and he was either dodging them or not giving satisfactory answers. I have a feeling thats why she pulled the intel card. Either way, Exile didn't intervene so I'm giving that plan the benefit of the doubt.

The only thing that keeps Jelly off my suspects list for now, is because (as he revealed himself) he was pushing for Squidd to be lynched, and since Squidd got killed anyway by the Mafia, I can't think of a reason why Jelly would push for that unless he truly wasn't privy to the plans of the Mafia. So for now, Jelly is innocent in my eyes.

But yeah, Apex has done too many wrong things at the wrong time, and his attitude in the game has been completely vile and counter-productive, regardless of what his win-condition was. Thats why he needs to go, so we can focus on the fucking game, along with a good chance that he is Mafia.

People keep saying Mantha didn't have intel, but that isn't what she said, she said that Raptors name came up in an investigation. I don't find it that odd that Mantha would tail someone else, and that person visited Raptor. Boom, that's why his name popped up.

She had intel, it just wasn't the intel we assumed it was, and that's kinda on us for assuming tbh.

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I've been playing so hard for the town all game long as soon as I got here. On day 2 I fought against Zero's apathy to actually getting things accomplished, and succeeded.

Wait, what?

Since when did we both have an argument about my "apathy" in the game? Also, can you please explain to me why I show a lack of interest in getting things done? All I've been saying in Day 2 was that it would be BEST to have solid information from Exile but I also acted by voting on Lamitrov. It's not that I solely rely on Exile or concrete proof man. I actually do things and that all I'm saying is it would be for the best if we had those info. Like, why do I get the feeling the only thing you guys hear from me is "LET'S NOT DO ANYTHING UNLESS WE HAVE SOLID PROOF". I say those a lot because a lot of the players here keep calling me out on it.

Edit: I see you lurkin' Zero. I don't mean it was only your apathy. It was something that gripped the entire town at the time. It was just you I was talking to at that moment, with my attempts to get things going being brushed off.

Yeah, I understand but please answer my question above on as why you think I lack interest in moving on with the game?

Also, as for the lurking, I had 5 minutes left to spare before going to school so I used it to read this thread.
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What's the meaning of this statement? Are you trying to imply that Boomerang is going to PM Exilement at Night after he gets his result? Or even if he's dead? How would you ever know if Boomer ever performed scry, it's a fucking Night Phase

Woah, why do you sound so mad at me?

Boomerang could have used it on Day 1 or 2 and I just wanted to know.

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One more things guys...

I'm foolish foolish foolish. I am really very foolish and I can't believe this slipped past me. Guys, I received a PM from Lami at the start of the game, but I deleted it because I needed my inbox clear and because I thought it was a stupid idea to begin with and I brushed it out of my mind. Foolish foolish foolish. After I chewed out Zero for telling me who to jump on in public, Lamitrov pm'ed me and said that the Hulk was the safest player in the game for me to jump onto, and that I probably should latch on to the Hulk. I don't remember his reasoning but I thought he was being helpful because a LOT of ideas were being thrown around then about where I should jump, including Enjoy's amazing chart.

If Xate had died on the first night, my suspicions would have been aroused but by the time, but he didn't and I let it go and I seem to have forgotten about it as just another suggestion from a guy learning Mafia for the first time. I'm seeing only now from Exile that Xate DID get attacked on the first night, foolish foolish foolish. Either Lamitrov gave me an incredibly co-incidental guess, or he knew what they were planning to do. It also answers my question as to WHY they would want to lynch someone like Xate / Hulk in the first place when so many more vital Avengers were left untouched. They were trying to kill two birds in one stone.

Sorry Devour, but you're back on my suspects list seeing how you replaced Lamitrov. I'm also sorry guys, for letting this slip my mind. I've been busy and occupied IRL for reasons I've explained and this seems to have completely slipped under my radar.

Nish, I'm not going to change my vote to Devour because:

(1) No proof
(2) Devour has defended himself and answered most of my questions while Apex hasn't

Although, knowing you, I'm sure you wouldn't lie like this and use what happened to you in real life as an excuse. For now, I'll stick with Apex and then we'll see about Devour.

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I'd also like us to look into Zero. One mistake is often just that, two might even be a coincidence, but there is a pattern growing with Zero. D1 he wanted Nish not to use his ability and we shrugged it off, D2 he voted for one person but not the other when they were guilty of the same thing and we shrugged it off, D3 he does the same thing (EDIT: to clarify I'm talking about Mantha calling him out on his inconsistent reasoning's) and then draws attention to Boomerang who had been keeping a pretty low profile and it looks like we're about to shrug that off to lol.

Yeah, go for it.

On D1, we didn't just "Shrug" it off. Nish told me that he was cool with it and I'm cool with it too, thus, we stopped. On D2, I already gave off my reasons AND even brought it back up the next day just so I can defend myself but nothing happened. This was not my fault. On D3, I gave out my points and me and Mantha were exchanging rebuttals but then it just stopped right after I posted about "Scry". Also, what this about me drawing attention to Boomerang? I simply just asked a question and reminded him of it.

Guys, look, I purposely tried to make it to a rhetorical question and I even put up "You should do it ASAP" to let him know he should do it ASAP. Unfortunately, due to the limitations of the internet, it seems it didn't work very well. I am not avoiding the fact that asking it out in public is dumb and I admit that but it was a mistake from me but please, I brought this up again on the context of discussing the mechanics on how the hell can we even do this? Take me for example. Assuming I just want to know if an ability was used so that we can have info, I say it in public = Dead. I say it in PM = There's a chance I'm a Skrull. I PM Exile about it = There's a chance I'm a Skrull. If this is the case, please make it clear for me on how are we going to get information when Exile has been inactive of the time I posted all of those things? Even Nish said it himself(Exile hasn't responded to this by the way):

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If Exile says he can't take the load, I agree with both of you that we have no choice but to share the info publicly. Until then, we share nothing publicly. Can we agree that we will let Exile make the call on this?

Next:

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Not yet, but I'm going to. What's the rush? Once we have enough votes for a lynch then the day ends. There's so many more people we need to question and things to figure out, like Zero's previous suspicion, Devi and Envoy's radio silence, and Mantha's sudden reversal against Raptor that saved Apex's skin. We should figure things out before moving on.

I'll give out my points below this:

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Zero, you sort of painted a target on Boomerang's back by persistently asking him if he had used his Scry yet. Why did you want to know that so badly?
And if I'm remembering right, you also had some suspicions raised for the same reason Lamitrov raised them against me: Telling Nish that he shouldn't jump people with his Ant powers just to play safe.
My brief talk with you when I just got here still leaves a bad taste in my mouth as well. You seemed very content to let the town stay inactive and quiet, and since recently you've been dipping below the radar along with Devi and Envoy. All game long I've felt moderately suspicious about you, but somehow you stay below everyone's scrutiny.

I did NOT persistently ask him. I only asked him ONCE(The public then PM shift) which was a bad move on my part because I forgot that I can also be a Skrull. I wanted to know it badly because his ability is USEFUL. It will allow us to be able to know who is a Skrull or who is an Avenger. I don't get why I'm getting so much fire for doing a stupid mistake an avenger will do. All this time, my actions, statements, and mistakes are of that an Avenger would make, and not a Skrull's.

Also, you're remembering wrong. I did not use the same reasons on Lamitrov's suspicion. It was between Devi or Lami(The inactives) and Lami just had a slightly better ability, thus I picked him. Again, I am NOT content with having the town inactive. I am simply addressing the fact that it would be for the best if us town would have solid info to work with. Tell me Devour, when did I actually was actively telling the players to be inactive?

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On Envoy and Zero:

I have a strange instinct they might be in cahoots, seeing how they were both trying to tell me that Zero was not at fault for announcing to the world that Ant Man would be safest doing nothing. En has also been silent while Zero has been very chatty, leading me to suspect they're colluding on ideas together, so one sticks his neck out while the other stays under the radar.


Possible Mafia suspicions:

Team One:
Envoy
Zero
Apex

Team Two:
Devour
Zero
Apex

Team Three:
Jelly (assuming he is playing the perfect game)
Apex
Zero

Team Four (aka we're all screwed if this is true):
Jelly
Devour
Mantha or Envoy.
Apex would be an honorary member of this team because his lack of co-operation has led against his win condition.

I'm sorry but you're instincts are wrong this time. Envoy being silent and me being chatty has no correlations at all. Devi is also quiet, so why not me and him? Also, I'm chatty because I've been trying to defend myself from points given out to the players left and right, every single day, every single round. If I stayed quiet or did not talk this much, I would've already been lynched.

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Hey, dickhead It wasn't the last minute, I changed my mind shortly after I'd already chose to save boomerang. It's simple the person I saved was more valuable to the game imo, if that even matters because it seems all you all want me to do is follow like a ship. And you all seem to think I owe you something, I don't. This is my first time participating in this and it's becoming a little overwhelming.

Why? We've all fully agreed in the beginning that we follow Exile. It's not that you're following like a rock, it was already agreed on that we would follow Exile so that we can see discrepancy in everyone's night actions. Just like the pickle you're in now.

Also, I'm done addressing all the posts that were addressing me in someway or another, if ever I missed some, please do bring it up and I'll gladly give my rebuttals. Now, onto my points.

Guys, let us not forget that before Raptor died, he told us to be suspicious of Mantha that when he does die as an Avenger. Mantha, this is addressed to you. I don't get why you ultimately went through Raptor and not Apex, when Raptor answered the questions well up to the very end and Apex answered them half assed. I even asked as to why we should be suspicious of him and you said:

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Well the aggressive finger-pointing is one, but he avoided to elaborate his reasons on top of that. You should have a reason for every suspicion here.

To which I agree but you see, he posted his reasons sometime after that and still you didn't change your vote to Apex. In fact, this goes to everyone including me. How come after Raptor's elaboration, you guys all stuck through the vote? I stuck through mine because I was unable to change it. I had already gone to bed and I had a whole day worth of class the day after that and by the time I got here, it was already way too late. Apex should have been the top #1 choice after Raptor defended himself, so why didn't you guys shift?

2nd point:
I'd like to bring up Nish's list of his suspicion of me as a Skrull and I'd like to tell you that I have arguments as to why you should think I'm not a Skrull. Firstly, majority of my posts, contributions, and mistakes are those that an Avenger would make and not a Skrull. When I asked for information, I was unconsciously thinking that it would be fine because I'm an Avenger. Why would I then expose myself so easily to the public with that kind of mistake? All I've ever tried to do is for the benefit of the town. Asking Boomer if he ever did Scry and then telling us who it was would be a BIG help. But here's the thing that I don't get. Since I can't post that in public, I have to PM him but since I'm not 100% known to be an Avenger or Skrull, I won't get the info. So, the only thing left is to let Exile distribute the info but you guys keep telling "Don't rely on Exile too much!". Now I'm getting called out on purposely making the town inactive just because I want Exile to give off the information to us. What's wrong with knowing who's an Avenger? The Skrull's already know themselves so please, if ever I'm missing a hazard here or a consequence, do tell me because I have found none.

Wow, that was a long one. It took me an hour just to read, reread, reply, and reread everything again. I may have made a mistake, so, please do reply back.