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SP Mafia VIIb: Avengers, Disassembled! | Endgame and Rant

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Jan 1, 2016 8:17 PM #1427347
Scried Smile. He checks out as an Avenger. Don't know how you guys will take this since you can't take my word for it yet.
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Jan 1, 2016 8:19 PM #1427351
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Scried Smile. He checks out as an Avenger. Don't know how you guys will take this since you can't take my word for it yet.


knowing that makes me, smile

:)

real talk though, I guess night one was bittersweet. Sucks that we lost two intellectual people that could have greatly contributed to the game, but at least we killed a doombot. Granted it was Ultron who killed a doombot. I bet he feels like a cunt right now lol.
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Jan 2, 2016 3:19 AM #1427503
eh probably not, the mafia needs to die too if the serial killer wants to win.

I probably can't contribute again til monday, you guys know how the weekends are for me. see you then.
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Jan 2, 2016 6:18 AM #1427611
I'm trying to figure out the intent behind the night kills but nothing is making to much sense... again... So this is just a small rant with my thought process.

It seems like both the doombots and Ultron decided that the investigators would be protected so either targeted other people with abilities that could harm them or players that could harm them.

So for the doombots to target Mantha, either she was getting a little to close for comfort in the people she was calling out, or they took a gamble that she would take another innocent with her to the grave getting them two birds with one stone. Or maybe they targeted her for both reasons. Going through the people Mantha pointed her finger at during D1 she seemed to hit Ai (for apparently being okay with discussing who would go where) and Camila (for wanting to talk about where her armour would go), Mantha also said she was going to trust her gut more this game, which could have spooked the mafia if she was barking up with right tree.
They may have also targeted her hoping to kill a second player, but this is a move that I would expect from Ultron not from the mafia, Mantha could target herself or me (I think) leaving 10 people she could target, with 3 mafia the chances she would kill one of them is 30%, which is a pretty risky move for the mafia.

As for Raptor, for the majority of D1 he played pretty pro-town, largely agreeing with playing it safe and not pointing his fingers at anyone. He also didn't really disagree with anyone until the conversation about bluffing and Camila saying she was going to send her armour to someone came around. So there really isn't much of a pattern of him siding with certain people nor distancing himself from certain people.
It's looking like he was targeted pretty much only because of his ability.


EDIT: Error can you explain your reasoning behind why you chose to scry Smile (I think I know why I just wanna be sure).
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Jan 2, 2016 1:04 PM #1427697
I was stunned. The investigation said that "Nothing happens".

Anyone want to think of the reasons why the doombots didn't stun Error? I'm thinking: he's a doombot banking on the chance that I'm not Ultron, the doombots thought scry wasn't going to happen tonight, or that scry has little chance of succeeding. Ugh I've been thinking about this for an unreasonably long time and I've been writing this post for more than an hour now, rereading everything over and over, and I burnt myself out so I might need a little help.
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Jan 2, 2016 2:34 PM #1427704
Raptor bolting an investigator makes no sense to me seeing as it's not exactly a pro-town move AND the investigator would find out they were blocked. If Raptor didn't die N1 we'd all be voting for him now...

Your reasoning for why Error could be a doombot seems odd seeing as they would KNOW if the scry was happening N1 or not. That said it is interesting of why Raptor bolted Smile and not Error. The only advantage they could get from bolting Smile is that they have players on their team which don't have night actions so shouldn't be able to visit people at night.

I dunno, this is all to odd atm.
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Jan 2, 2016 3:59 PM #1427719
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Your reasoning for why Error could be a doombot seems odd seeing as they would KNOW if the scry was happening N1 or not. That said it is interesting of why Raptor bolted Smile and not Error. The only advantage they could get from bolting Smile is that they have players on their team which don't have night actions so shouldn't be able to visit people at night.


Thor targetting Smile, in my opinion, is just them being safe. Say, Smile happens to find the bot that deals the deathblow by chance. That's almost guaranteed to kill one of their own. So going with the safer option, they targetted Smile.

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Doombots killed Mantha, Loki killed Raptor.


I'm interested in this. Wasn't the one who killed Raptor, via her skill? Because I assumed it was as such. Also you're referring to Ultron not Loki. Is this a flag I wonder?

I say, with Smile getting stunned by a doombot and Error's report coming out positive, I think we can be sure that he's a good guy.
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Jan 2, 2016 4:19 PM #1427723
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Thor targetting Smile, in my opinion, is just them being safe. Say, Smile happens to find the bot that deals the deathblow by chance. That's almost guaranteed to kill one of their own. So going with the safer option, they targetted Smile.

So you MAYBE stop an investigation on the person doing the kill move but at the small cost of almost certainly throwing one of your players under the bus? That's not playing safe...
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Jan 2, 2016 4:34 PM #1427729
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So you MAYBE stop an investigation on the person doing the kill move but at the small cost of almost certainly throwing one of your players under the bus? That's not playing safe...


I'm not understanding. By "almost certainly throwing a player under the bus" means Error's report? I'm under the impression that they think we won't believe him, not right away. So with that in mind, Smile would be a better target than Error.

There's also the fact that Scry is a one time use. Right now, Error's a vanilla. Powerless. I'm thinking they're betting on the fact that we'd doubt his reports and we ourselves render him useless.
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Jan 2, 2016 4:53 PM #1427733
I chose Smile since he is a reliable investigator in the long run unlike myself. If he's a Doombot/Ultron, he's better dead the next day after I get him scried. If he isn't, then we've got someone to trust as he puts out some data.

I don't know why the Doombots didn't stun me and I do wonder that as well, Smile. I kind of understand why your finger is pointed at me but in my defense, you and I are targets for blocking on N1 anyway. Doombot or Ultron, they'd want to stay in the game longer and either one of us could be their downfall. They didn't try to kill us knowing that they'd have to go through protection so they went for someone else.
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Jan 3, 2016 3:16 AM #1427907
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I'm not understanding. By "almost certainly throwing a player under the bus" means Error's report? I'm under the impression that they think we won't believe him, not right away. So with that in mind, Smile would be a better target than Error.

No I mean that the investigator would know that they've been blocked seeing as they'll get a "nothing happens" instead of "X visited no one/visited Y", they would tell the town, and the town would probs lynch the blocker because that's not a pro-town move on N1.
They protected the person doing the night kill action, but only at the cost of losing the blocker on D2. That's not a safe move, and I have no idea why it happened.

EDIT: Error is there any particular reason why you didn't target someone you thought was being suspicious D1?
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Jan 3, 2016 3:31 AM #1427918
Just updating to mark Boomerang's new role as Thor.


Also just a reminder, the RandomLynch rule is OFF right now. I turned it on last time on Day 3 because the thread was going inactive and the Town was stalling.
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Jan 3, 2016 3:39 AM #1427924
As of right now I feel like our best bet is to wait and see if Xate and Camila got anything from Night 1. Also I can kind of see Error's reasoning for scrying Smile just in case, however I'm also wondering why he didn't scry someone that seemed more suspicious on Day 1 (Like, for example, _Ai_, due to the fact that he had the finger pointed at him once or twice).
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Jan 3, 2016 3:43 AM #1427927
There's no way to be suspicious of anyone on day one, though?

What could Xate and Cami have found out?
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Jan 3, 2016 3:46 AM #1427928
You never know, I just feel like we need to get the input of those two before we move forward.

And as for your first question, I was going off what Jelly had said. Maybe Error should have scried someone he might have found suspicious. But like I also said, Error's justified in scrying Smile because it leaves us with an avenger Black Widow (Provided that Error is actually an avenger).
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