Although, yes, I agree that I should have scried someone suspicious but if your qualification of being suspicious is pointing fingers then then I should've gone with YWJ because he scum hunts, Xate because he just distrusts YWJ due to his role, Arch making arguments against Exile and Boomy going with it and Ai having the finger at him due to opposition to D1 lynch and another.
Thing is, there is not much to work with on D1. Everyone will point a finger at someone on D1 but without data, the finger is nothing more than a scare tactic and you guys know it. I'd rather have a sure investigative role than a suspicious one.
SP Mafia VIIb: Avengers, Disassembled! | Endgame and Rant
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Jan 3, 2016 4:44 AM #1427965
Jan 3, 2016 5:14 AM #1427986
Although it would all be really easy for me if anything that happened last night means I'm a confirmed town, but there's really no way for this to be true unless we really know whether or not Error is town, and the most concrete way of knowing this is to lynch him. If he's town, there would be no doubts to my allegiance, if he's not then we got him out of the way.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Jan 3, 2016 5:16 AM #1427987
#vote Error
Jan 3, 2016 5:19 AM #1427989
Quote from Youwishjellyfish#vote Error
There goes this scum hunter, yet again!
Jan 3, 2016 5:21 AM #1427990
I don't have a night ability that helps the town, all I have is my vote, and I plan on using it.
Jan 3, 2016 5:28 AM #1427994
Quote from SmileAlthough it would all be really easy for me if anything that happened last night means I'm a confirmed town, but there's really no way for this to be true unless we really know whether or not Error is town, and the most concrete way of knowing this is to lynch him. If he's town, there would be no doubts to my allegiance, if he's not then we got him out of the way.
Thoughts?
I feel like that's a real stretch in possibly losing a townie on the second day. Yeah sure, we'd know you're town for sure, but who's to say that won't just inspire Ultron/Doombots to deal with you Night 2 now that they're sure?
Jan 3, 2016 5:49 AM #1428001
Ultron and the Doombots already know if Smile isn't on their side, they'd go for investigative roles either way. Right now, I'm reduced to a vanilla townie. The most concrete way to find out if you're town for all of us is to know by my death but should that go right now? At the moment we have the upper hand, a doombot was killed thanks to Ultron and I'd like to keep it that way. I don't understand why you'd be in such a hurry to lynch a guy to prove your innocence when I'm right here confirming it, it's a long shot for you to trust me without anything to prove other than my scry but take this into account first: if I die and confirm as townie it would give Ultron and the Doombots most likely two more kills out of us making us down by three. Thats a hefty number if you ask me just to confirm one. Ultron killing another Doombot is less likely this time around...
All I'm saying is that confirm Smile's allegiance later. We still have four days to discuss.
The only data we have is that:
All I'm saying is that confirm Smile's allegiance later. We still have four days to discuss.
The only data we have is that:
- Raptor blocked Smile
- Error scried Smile
- Ultron killed Raptor
- Doombots killed Mantha
Jan 3, 2016 6:09 AM #1428011
Quote from BoomerangI feel like that's a real stretch in possibly losing a townie on the second day. Yeah sure, we'd know you're town for sure, but who's to say that won't just inspire Ultron/Doombots to deal with you Night 2 now that they're sure?
I'd have some layers of protection either way, and a confirmed townie would mean a more organized town and a better chance of winning.
Quote from ErrorBlenderUltron and the Doombots already know if Smile isn't on their side, they'd go for investigative roles either way. Right now, I'm reduced to a vanilla townie. The most concrete way to find out if you're town for all of us is to know by my death but should that go right now? At the moment we have the upper hand, a doombot was killed thanks to Ultron and I'd like to keep it that way. I don't understand why you'd be in such a hurry to lynch a guy to prove your innocence when I'm right here confirming it, it's a long shot for you to trust me without anything to prove other than my scry but take this into account first: if I die and confirm as townie it would give Ultron and the Doombots most likely two more kills out of us making us down by three. Thats a hefty number if you ask me just to confirm one. Ultron killing another Doombot is less likely this time around...
All I'm saying is that confirm Smile's allegiance later. We still have four days to discuss.
Confirming my allegiance as fast as possible is better than confirming it when there's a lot less of us. Someone's probably going to die today either way, and it's not like YOU are a confirmed town. At least the town gets some kind of benefit either way.
Jan 4, 2016 8:16 AM #1428277
Quote from BoomerangAs of right now I feel like our best bet is to wait and see if Xate and Camila got anything from Night 1. Also I can kind of see Error's reasoning for scrying Smile just in case, however I'm also wondering why he didn't scry someone that seemed more suspicious on Day 1 (Like, for example, _Ai_, due to the fact that he had the finger pointed at him once or twice).
I protected Smile. Guess what? I didn't die. Wee~
So yeah, my power's result should be very, very apparent.
And Cammy, maybe you can cooperate with Smile and me so we can discuss the best course of action? We are both defenders, and Smile may be a confirmed townie that can spy. (IF Error is innocent) If Smile isn't innocent, well, hold onto that shield.
And plus, since we are discussing, Smile should be able to get insights about Cam and me as well. Here's to hoping that Smile and Cam is innocent.
Jan 4, 2016 11:21 AM #1428293
Mmm... I'm not too sure. Right now, we have 8 avengers, 2 mafias, 1 killer.
There can be a few outcomes from this;
1. If Error is a mafia: This is the best outcome, but Smile will return to the grey area.
2. If Error is an avenger: We lose an avenger. Night comes, and possibly another 2 avenger gone. That's 3 avengers gone, but Smile should be a confirmed townie.
I can't say I'm too much in favor of this plan; the next day after Smile's confirmed to be a town, the town loses if another 2 avengers dies.
There can be a few outcomes from this;
1. If Error is a mafia: This is the best outcome, but Smile will return to the grey area.
2. If Error is an avenger: We lose an avenger. Night comes, and possibly another 2 avenger gone. That's 3 avengers gone, but Smile should be a confirmed townie.
I can't say I'm too much in favor of this plan; the next day after Smile's confirmed to be a town, the town loses if another 2 avengers dies.
Jan 4, 2016 2:06 PM #1428311
There's still going to be a possibility of two avengers being gone tonight, no matter who we go with lynching. And it's not like if Error actually is an avenger that we automatically lose two more avengers, Ultron and the Doombots are still out to kill each other. You seem to be trying to make this alternative sound more detrimental to the town than it actually is. We either get one less opponent, or we gain a confirmed townie. Anything else outside of that will happen regardless of who we kill.
Jan 4, 2016 2:24 PM #1428314
I liked YWJ's point about Mantha possibly dying because she was putting pressure on Camila. Who hasn't posted once yet since the new round started.
Has anyone received her armor? Is that something we're keeping hidden or can we confirm whether or not she used her ability to the benefit of the town?
Has anyone received her armor? Is that something we're keeping hidden or can we confirm whether or not she used her ability to the benefit of the town?
Jan 4, 2016 2:50 PM #1428318
I gave the armor to Error for the night. Tho I haven't received any information back about his ability since then. Sorry about the no-posting btw. Tho I think is a bad idea now to just openly announce who will I give the armor to.
Jan 4, 2016 3:38 PM #1428325
Well, I thought that was the case. I was hoping to hold out the information for a little while longer to see generate some discussion, but yeah potentially killing an Avenger AND losing the shield is too much, in my opinion.
I am kind of curious about two things: firstly, why Ai worded his post in a way that kind of makes my plan seem riskier than it actually is. Before the information about the whereabouts of the shield is, I think lynching Error made the most sense because the town gains something either way, but he seemed like he didn't like the idea of the town gaining something. I mean I get that Error needs to defend himself, so he wouldn't like the idea. There Boomerang too, but he seemed like he was looking out for me more than anything.
and secondly, where's Apex?
I am kind of curious about two things: firstly, why Ai worded his post in a way that kind of makes my plan seem riskier than it actually is. Before the information about the whereabouts of the shield is, I think lynching Error made the most sense because the town gains something either way, but he seemed like he didn't like the idea of the town gaining something. I mean I get that Error needs to defend himself, so he wouldn't like the idea. There Boomerang too, but he seemed like he was looking out for me more than anything.
and secondly, where's Apex?
Jan 4, 2016 7:28 PM #1428341
Apex's only post for the day seemed like it was hastily made to be sure he got a post in, so maybe he's busy? Also Smile I was really just wweighing our options before we made any edefinitive decision. Can we get a confirmation from error that he currently has the armor?