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He was actually talking about the people in our time period, not his religious group specifically. Unneeded attack.

Not really. So you're saying that because of our increase in Atheism we understand the universe better?


Which is poppy cock and calamine lotion.

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You do know that most of the worlds scientific advances and 'knowledgebility shit about the universe' came because people believed in god? Most of the greatest advances in technology were caused BY the church.

And since Charles Darwin was religious in some way or another and he caused arguably one of the most profound scientific insights into our universe.

Geebz.

god.... we totally need him u bastards (no offense)

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You do know that most of the worlds scientific advances and 'knowledgebility shit about the universe' came because people believed in god? Most of the greatest advances in technology were caused BY the church.

And since Charles Darwin was religious in some way or another and he caused arguably one of the most profound scientific insights into our universe.

I agreed up until then. Both of those claims are laughably stupid. Scientific advancements come from people with open minds, it doesn't matter what religion they come from. And to classify the scientific advancements were made by the church because some of the scientists might have believed in a god?

Please, you're being the elitist one now, and your doing it on behalf of an entire religion.

Second, Charles Darwin was only a clergyman for most of his life. When it mattered, I'm pretty sure he wasn't in fact a theist.

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Not really. So you're saying that because of our increase in Atheism we understand the universe better?

He was saying we understand because we are more advanced, as in science. Read the post he was responding to.

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Just because you/your society is going through another dependency on science, doesn't mean that you can ignore all of history. You can't suddenly claim yourself more sophisticated just because your an atheist. You're just being an elitist and making an extremely bold claim.

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I'm not going to go so far as to say that we are more civil (I don't think science is a mark of civility) but we certainly have a greater understanding of the universe.

Bleh ?

Easy to misinterpret?

Some people just use a deity to explain the unexplainable, and to give them a sense of protection and hope. It's less harmful than drugs, imo.

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Some people just use a deity to explain the unexplainable, and to give them a sense of protection and hope. It's less harmful than drugs, imo.

Thanks for knocking off my post bud.

We've already covered that.

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Bleh ?

Easy to misinterpret?

I know. Looking back on it, it's very complicated to think about. It's just a few pronouns away from changing the meaning. I was trying to stay reserved until ash came after I took a re-read through the last couple of pages.

Not really. So you're saying that because of our increase in Atheism we understand the universe better?

Also, I meant to say that our global society today knows more about the universe. I didn't mean the group of athiests currently compared to ....athiesm.

Damn, I'm confused.

Faith and spirituality are needed, for the human mind, as with a omnipotent being you can never be alone.

Who is to say that science doesn't strengthen faith? As surely seeing how infinitely complicated everything is, is surely going to show how much power God has? As I know that is how I feel on a personal level.

Also I might be reading to deeply into Ash's posts but the way he is phrasing everything is making it sound like science is the new religion. So who is to say that in the future that religion might become the new science?

Science can never be called a religion because sience isn't some dogma, or a way of life: it's just the term we use to describe the process of observation>hypothesis>expirementation>theory.

Religion has a tendancy to stay the same. In fact, the Christian bible says that the word will stay the same (****ing mormons not paying attention), that it must not be changed.


Dudeman, back on the subject of spirituality, I disagree that everyone has it. I, and a few people I know, are very comfortable with the thought that we are alone, that there is no God. In fact, we like it this way, because there are no vague standards to live up to.

Religion gives a reason for people to feel guilty. I think (even if its a complete lie), that religion is a great thing. A person without anything to believe in is a very empty person.

Everyone has some sort of philosophy, and its by that idea that they live by. We need something to follow, be it a god or trying to get rid of god. What would our lives be like if we had no goal, nothing we were trying to accomplish in life?

I believe in a god. Because, well I just do. I know there is something higher lol doing something. But I guess thats me. And it also gives hope to people. like when people who believe in god, are like feeling sad, or miserable. they mostly pray to god, and believe there is someone helping them.

YOU KNOW like. Your like believing in something and think you can't do it alone or something, they get in bed and pray, and It gives them hope. Cause, like when someone has cancer and its an incurable disease. people pray, and believe there is always a chance that she might survive. while others who don't believe are like ''Yeah that ****er is screwed it cannot be cured'' ok yeah >__>

Schwa, I'd like to ask you to stop insulting. This is a debate, lighten up.

I'd like to thank you people for posting your opinion here. Now if you excuse me, I'll post something smarter later. I'm alcoholised.

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Religion gives a reason for people to feel guilty. I think (even if its a complete lie), that religion is a great thing. A person without anything to believe in is a very empty person.

Everyone has some sort of philosophy, and its by that idea that they live by. We need something to follow, be it a god or trying to get rid of god. What would our lives be like if we had no goal, nothing we were trying to accomplish in life?

I think your using the 'being Christian gives you a better sense of morality' theory . Thus giving people a reason to feel guilty?

And purpose exists outside of a god, not all philosophies and lifestyles start with a god or a religion, so I don't see why your using this argument.

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Experimentation: What happens to the human phycie(sp) when you add faith into their mind. Trying to replicate the world, and its conditions

You're desperate. I have never heard anyone ask this question, and I don't think anyone thinks like that, or asks that question.

You cant compare faith to science, they are polar opposites. Science is what you can feel and see and prove, after dozens of experiments and tests.

Faith is the belief in something you cant see or feel.