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It more came across that 'because it's a game world it's boring', which I disagree with seeing as it's the writers inability to create something interesting and to avoid pit falls that make a story boring. It's very likely the 'in a game' genre currently suffers from people seeing an easy cash grab much like how people used to (and still do I guess) see the moe slice of life genre.

I would ask you to give me a good example of an anime that does that, but I haven't watched LH or .hack so I guess we can't really debate this further.

Yeah, it's probably wrong to say it's a 'in a game' anime, though I don't see what's so different about game mechanics and a world governed by different natural laws, one is made by a programmer and the other a eccentric God, is it really so different?

Because one is modeled after a video game and bases the whole plot on it instead of making its own world and creative elements while the other one is actually its own world, designed to be a completely real and original setting.

But you've masterfully missed my point once again. I also can't help but think your request is silly considering there are only three 'trapped in a video game' anime out at the moment, or at least only three to the best of my knowledge, maybe you'd like to enlighten me to all the oh so terrible 'trapped in a video game' anime that currently exist.

Its really the mangas that are plagued with it. Trust me, if every video game RPG manga was converted into an anime you'd be pretty sick of it too.


Have you watched the Claymore anime? Care to give some thoughts?

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I don't understand why every single one of your posts in here has to be a wall of text, when you could communicate things much more simply. It isn't like your dissecting entire anime either, just rambling.

And that's so different from your game rants in the chat thread?

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In most .hack series they end up trapped in it at the cost of their own lives. You could say .hack did it before SAO.

Your point?
So you're still 1 for 3, you decided not to mention SAO as being bad, so is that a point for me? And I'm guessing you haven't seen Log Horizon.

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Because one is modeled after a video game and bases the whole plot on it instead of making its own world and creative elements while the other one is actually its own world, designed to be a completely real and original setting.

That's a fair point, so I'll pay that. But I still don't see why a alternate universe is so much more original than a game universe. You have endless possibilities with both don't you?

Its really the mangas that are plagued with it. Trust me, if every video game RPG manga was converted into an anime you'd be pretty sick of it too.

Probably, but I can't see it bothering me more than the moe plague.

Have you watched the Claymore anime? Care to give some thoughts?

I'm sure we all wouldn't want to be subjected to any more of my insufferable ramblings.

Btw, I haven't seen ep. 5 of Aldnoah Zero yet so that's why I haven't said anything about it.

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Btw, I haven't seen ep. 5 of Aldnoah Zero yet so that's why I haven't said anything about it.

I thought you were up to date... My bad.

I just watched the fifth episode, and although I can kinda guess what the cause of first scene of it was, I found it kind of weird that they didn't get into what actually happened with that this episode

Oh yeah, I've ranted about a game in the chat thread, once? Twice?
Did you read my pokemon post? That wasn't a rant, that was a story, a retrospect, practically a review. My elder scrolls posts? That was me debating and correcting people who where just plain wrong. Not by presenting my opinion, like you, but by showing solid evidence as to why they are incorrect.

Heh sorry if I seem to be attacking you Jelly. But entertainment elitists are a pet peeve of mine. Just because you post a storm of text doesn't mean you're right to begin with. It mostly means I'm not going to spend an hour wading through the ocean of objectified nitpicking you post.
You're really the reason why I always stop posting in here, you're like Index but with an even more pretentious opinion blown out of proportion. Discussing with you is nearly impossible and not pleasurable.

Don't get me wrong though, if you've seen my s-CRY-ed posts you'll see that I can enjoy analyzing an anime as much as the next guy. But I try not to over think it.

Ultimately if I was entertained, it passes. That's what anime is, entertainment. I thought SAO was fine, so that should show you that I've already sent you on a wild goose chase here.

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you're like Index.

Please Jutsu no
No need to insult the guy

You're right, that's too far perhaps.

I really did like Index.

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That's a fair point, so I'll pay that. But I still don't see why a alternate universe is so much more original than a game universe. You have endless possibilities with both don't you?

Not when you start introducing RPG elements.

I'm sure we all wouldn't want to be subjected to any more of my insufferable ramblings.

I don't mind. But does this mean that you hated Claymore?

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You're right, that's too far perhaps.

I really did like Index.

When he wasn't talking about the monogatari series, I kinda respected his opinions
too bad he was always talking about the monogatari series

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When he wasn't talking about the monogatari series, I kinda respected his opinions
too bad he was always talking about the monogatari series

I was going to make a comment about how it's okay for people to like shounen, because their top three list of anime titles don't all have to contain the phrase "monogatari". But I deleted it feeling like it was too much maybe.

I don't mind when newbies talk about Naruto or Bleach, I used to be offended, but not anymore. Sheeeeit, my first anime was Inuyasha, who am I to judge? Looking back the show was bad, but when I was a little kid, man it was the fucking bomb! My first "fo realzies" anime was Akira, classic, fucking gold. It changed anime forever, it holds a special place in my heart. It isn't above criticism, I've watched it enough to know it has flaws and to have identified most of them. But then I come into this thread and find out it's overrated rubbish.
Even though it's offered me hours of entertainment, with wondrous concepts and masterful designs that have influenced the likes of other famous anime and characters. And I never paid a penny.

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Oh yeah, I've ranted about a game in the chat thread, once? Twice?
Did you read my pokemon post? That wasn't a rant, that was a story, a retrospect, practically a review. My elder scrolls posts? That was me debating and correcting people who where just plain wrong. Not by presenting my opinion, like you, but by showing solid evidence as to why they are incorrect.

And how do you argue anything other than opinion when discussing story telling? Shows make me feel and react in a certain way because of certain things they do, then in a discussion I talk about how I felt and what the show did to elicit that response from me, I have rarely argued 'I'm write you're wrong' and have almost always argued 'this is how I see it, and this is why'. If that means I'm only presenting an opinion I'm cool with that.

Heh sorry if I seem to be attacking you Jelly. But entertainment elitists are a pet peeve of mine. Just because you post a storm of text doesn't mean you're right to begin with. It mostly means I'm not going to spend an hour wading through the ocean of objectified nitpicking you post.
You're really the reason why I always stop posting in here, you're like Index but with an even more pretentious opinion blown out of proportion. Discussing with you is nearly impossible and not pleasurable.

And in what way have I been an elitist? Yes I post walls of text, almost only when I'm actually in a discussion with someone already, I'm on a forum, I have the power to take the time out a write out my view point and explain it thoroughly, and I usually do this to avoid being misunderstood, if that makes me pretentious, then I'm cool with that.

Don't get me wrong though, if you've seen my s-CRY-ed posts you'll see that I can enjoy analyzing an anime as much as the next guy. But I try not to over think it.

Yes, I was there for that, I was the one who then analyzed it with you a few weeks later after you got pissy at the thread for ignoring you.

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And how do you argue anything other than opinion when discussing story telling? Shows make me feel and react in a certain way because of certain things they do, then in a discussion I talk about how I felt and what the show did to elicit that response from me, I have rarely argued 'I'm write you're wrong' and have almost always argued 'this is how I see it, and this is why'. If that means I'm only presenting an opinion I'm cool with that.

It doesn't HAVE to be an argument, man. Why argue about something that's totally opinion? The whole wild goose chase was to show you that you'll just argue about anything that doesn't line up with your opinion.

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And in what way have I been an elitist? Yes I post walls of text, almost only when I'm actually in a discussion with someone already, I'm on a forum, I have the power to take the time out a write out my view point and explain it thoroughly, and I usually do this to avoid being misunderstood, if that makes me pretentious, then I'm cool with that.

I'm not going to justify this with a response, you sound exactly like Index here. At least he learned to admit it.

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Yes, I was there for that, I was the one who then analyzed it with you a few weeks later after you got pissy at the thread for ignoring you.

I know...that was the point...I know it was you.
Yeah, well how do you like it when you've got a lot of content to post about an obscure topic that can only be shared here and then it gets ignored? It feels like shit man.
You're pissy over just this, I can't imagine if you had a real reason to be.

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I was going to make a comment about how it's okay for people to like shounen, because their top three list of anime titles don't all have to contain the phrase "monogatari". But I deleted it feeling like it was too much maybe.

I don't mind when newbies talk about Naruto or Bleach, I used to be offended, but not anymore. Sheeeeit, my first anime was Inuyasha, who am I to judge? Looking back the show was bad, but when I was a little kid, man it was the fucking bomb! My first "fo realzies" anime was Akira, classic, fucking gold. It changed anime forever, it holds a special place in my heart. It isn't above criticism, I've watched it enough to know it has flaws and to have identified most of them. But then I come into this thread and find out it's overrated rubbish.
Even though it's offered me hours of entertainment, with wondrous concepts and masterful designs that have influenced the likes of other famous anime and characters. And I never paid a penny.

I couldn't quite tell what the subject of that sentence was, whether it was the thread or Akira, although I assume you're talking about Akira.
I've only seen Akira once, but it was damn good, and I don't really usually go out of my way to critically analyze something that I liked. My thought process being, I don't want to ruin the thing for myself by nitpicking it to death, I would much rather just say I like it and call it a day. Of course, things I don't like I very much like to think about and deconstruct to find out what I didn't like about it, so that I can have a proper explanation for people why I didn't like it beyond saying something like 'it was just bad'
If someone were to actually ask me to list explicit reasons why I liked something though, I'd have to go and do the same for them just out of courtesy

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I couldn't quite tell what the subject of that sentence was, whether it was the thread or Akira, although I assume you're talking about Akira.
I've only seen Akira once, but it was damn good, and I don't really usually go out of my way to critically analyze something that I liked. My thought process being, I don't want to ruin the thing for myself by nitpicking it to death, I would much rather just say I like it and call it a day. Of course, things I don't like I very much like to think about and deconstruct to find out what I didn't like about it, so that I can have a proper explanation for people why I didn't like it beyond saying something like 'it was just bad'
If someone were to actually ask me to list explicit reasons why I liked something though, I'd have to go and do the same for them just out of courtesy

Oh yeah, sorry, I meant Akira. I suppose that sentence was tangential.

Anyways, I critically analyze just about anything I watch. But my standards "what index would call, filthy casual" all stem from whether I'm entertained or not and I try to keep it simple. I like to approach each show with a clean slate and open mind. And I try to understand the perspective of the target audience. This gives me a wider range of enjoyment. I found myself watching the first season of One Piece shouting "FUCK YEAH, FUCKING RORONOA MOTHER FUCKING ZORO". Because I didn't go into it expecting it to be as good as Akira.
Some people think Trigun is a bad anime, but if you go into it realizing that its budget was minuscule it's absolutely amazing. You can see where the animator had to cut corners and use cheap tricks, but when it counted the quality was there. It was a product of real passion and it's no wonder why it's such a well known anime. Especially that intro, fuck yeah.

Anyways, this helps ensure that I know I dislike anime that are only genuinely bad, like shuffle. Some times I just have to acquiesce that an anime or genre isn't my style. Like most harem anime for example.