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athiest are too afraid of the wrong they've done to become religious.

What? Afraid of what? Theres nothing to be afraid OF.

Still, i would find it extremely unfair for God to make people be born in houses of different religions. Thats like growing a kid up to be a bad person and then punishing them for it. Their practically doomed from the very moment they born. Its much easier to agree and follow the religion than you were grown up with, than to believe in a different one. Just like what many of you guys are doing right now. Besides not being a christian, If Muslim doesn't "sin" Will they go to heaven? If an Atheist doesn't "sin" will they go to heaven? If that was the case that's all good and dandy. There's no real way of even telling which Religion is right if it did exist. It could be the Buddhist, it could be Hindu, it could be anything and we wouldn't know.

But yeah, end this thread, its pointless argument that can never win.

Buddhism isn't a very relevant religion to this debate; there's not really any standard for believing in a deity in that religion.

exactly what prodigy said...this pointless discussion isnt taking us anywhere...lets just focus on stick figuers...JUST STICK FIGUERES!!!

i dont know...this thread caused enough trouble in the forum...dont you think ???

lol, instead of posting saying "delete this thread" (of which there is no justification to do so outside of people like you posting shit without reading previous posts), why not just STOP POSTING USELESS AND IRRELEVANT STUFF?

you know...jombo is right...im waisting my time...im out of here !!!

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carstraft- it doesnt matter how long it takes. atoms still arent smart enough to create humans.

Why do things need to be intelligent to make things happen? Why can't things happen from random acts? Snowflakes are an example of something that can be formed without an intelligent design.

you work hard to be with God and you could see him too.

But no one has.

prodigy- so relatively your saying God wouldnt create use because so many people dont follow his ways like the muslims and whatnot, right? well if you read deep enough into the bible, you'll learn heaven was here long before us. lucifer tryed to become more powerful then God so he was sentenced to Hell. many others from heaven followed lucifer which God couldnt have so he built an earth so we could learn and choose if we could be in heaven or hell. if you sin you go to hell and if your good you go to heaven. we would still be perfect if we didnt have the temptation of the devil. our entire reason for being here is to learn to BECOME perfect. God could easily make everyone perfect but how would he know we wouldnt betray him again like lucifer? now he only accepts those who ask and work to be in his kingdom.

And this is true because bible says so? What makes the bible more true than any other fiction story?

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carstraft- it doesnt matter how long it takes. atoms still arent smart enough to create humans.

you are so incredibly uninformed, or you are just fucking with us.

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you are so incredibly uninformed, or you are just fucking with us.

how so? even if there was more to it, only a being could make the decision to to give us two arms and two legs, twenty fingers and toes, a mouth etc.

prodigy thats not Gods fault. he would love everyone to be taught his ways, but we were put here to learn and to have a choice.
for example, if i told my son "you could be gay or straight it doesnt matter", then i would go to hell and so would my son for being gay. God could interfere and save my son but he allows me to make the choice to infect my sons mind because thats what were here for, to make our own choices even if we suffer in hell for it.
i know a man who's mother didnt believe in God. he's now a pastor! he went to a church sermon and saw that those ways were better then his mothers.
im just saying its not impossible to change and Gods always giving us chances too.

lol preserve, thats exactly what im saying! if it was a random act we wouldnt have come out right!
yes people have. i know people that have speaken with God, angels, even relatives that past away. you just have to pay attention and want it enough.
prodigy was asking why God would do that. i explained why he would. that doesnt mean you have to believe it. prodigy was talking under the terms as if God existed so i did as well.

fusion if that counts as flamming then why dont you report the guy that called me a dick and an idiot also.

I suggest you study the theory of evolution a little more before you make incorrect assumptions such as "if it was a random act we wouldn't have come out right!"

The theory of evolution isn't random. It's a careful process that isn't random at all. The only "random" thing in the process is the idea of random genetic mutation, and that only plays a part in the overall process. To call the whole theory random is to do it a disservice.

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I suggest you study the theory of evolution a little more before you make incorrect assumptions such as "if it was a random act we wouldn't have come out right!"

The theory of evolution isn't random. It's a careful process that isn't random at all. The only "random" thing in the process is the idea of random genetic mutation, and that only plays a part in the overall process. To call the whole theory random is to do it a disservice.

well preserve was the one that mentioned it was random. none the less why dont you give me a quick crash course in how you think evolution works. people continue to tell me that i need to know more about it before debating it but no ones given me proof they know it thereselves! they just want to make me feel i know nothing on the subject. so please, explain what you know.

you need to educate yourself by reading entire books on evolution before you decide that you know more than the scientists who dedicated their lives to studying it. Read The Origin of Species and The Selfish Gene, and maybe a biology book while you're at it— and THEN argue why you think it's all wrong. There's just so much information about it that asking a user here to write it all out for you is ridiculous.
edit: since you're probably too lazy to do that, you can at least start by watching youtube videos or something. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4

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well preserve was the one that mentioned it was random. none the less why dont you give me a quick crash course in how you think evolution works. people continue to tell me that i need to know more about it before debating it but no ones given me proof they know it thereselves! they just want to make me feel i know nothing on the subject. so please, explain what you know.

First, start by reading this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection

TL;DR: Survival of the fittest. What's "random" about survival of the fittest?

I can understand how you might have got confused over when preserve mentioned "random". He simply meant it in the context of small changes being random, but whether or not those small changes survive and are kept are not random at all. Either way I don't think he should have used the word random like that.

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fusion if that counts as flamming then why dont you report the guy that called me a dick and an idiot also.

You are literally being both of those things when you post, so I don't think it is worthy of punishment (although that isn't my decision). However, what you said about Atheists is not true across the board, so it's just pointless slander.

I meant random in the terms of not from intelligent design.

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lol preserve, thats exactly what im saying! if it was a random act we wouldnt have come out right!

Why so? I used an example of a snowflake in where those aren't intelligently designed and they come "right" as in most of them are symmetrical.

yes people have. i know people that have speaken with God, angels, even relatives that past away. you just have to pay attention and want it enough.

You said if you try you can SEE God, not hear them. Either way, how do you know what they heard was actually God and not just their imagination?