there is a 50/50 chance of a god existing

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Sep 20, 2012 3:13 AM #742775
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i dont believe in the whole big bang theory thing. if your curious about the existence of god then the good news is theres a whole book on it. also give praying a shot! what could it hurt, right?
to me it makes much more sense that god created all this. especially since if we pay attention we can feel gods presence, as well as a demons presence (those are the ones that make you wanna do somethin bad). if more athiests studied the bible i believe they would begin to agree with it. alot makes since. i would say another thing is that an athiest is the easy way out. though gods way is more satisfiying
by the way i had a question for an athiest! ive always wondered where they thought the bible came from? did they think it plopped down with the big bang or what?


there is no way this post is real. i... i can't.. ow.. my brain
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Sep 20, 2012 6:26 AM #742828
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if more athiests studied the bible i believe they would begin to agree with it.


If more people studied the bible, I believe there would be less Christians.

Shit's whack, yo.

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ive always wondered where they thought the bible came from? did they think it plopped down with the big bang or what?


What.
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Sep 20, 2012 6:29 AM #742829
if more people read the quran, we'd have more muslims. read the quran, fellas! the most amazing person to ever exist wrote it!
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Sep 20, 2012 6:38 AM #742835
Really? Because I watched that film and Muhammad seems like kind of a jerk.
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Sep 20, 2012 6:46 AM #742839
the perennial philosophy states that all religions are based off what a select few enlightened people have said (eg. Jesus, Mohammed, various saints, mystics, etc), adapted to cater for the psychological, intellectual and social needs of a given culture of a given period of history. that is to say, an enlightened person has come along and started trying to explain to others how to become enlightened, and then everybody misinterprets what they have said and then a religion is born.

i still maintain that this is the most sensible conclusion. enlightened people have a nasty tendency to refer to the ultimate realization of reality as "god". smarter men, such as Gautama Buddha, have refused to describe enlightenment for this reason:

Quote from The Perennial Philosophy (by Aldous Huxley)

The Buddha declined to make any statement in regard to the ultimate divine Reality. All he would talk about was Nirvana, which is the name of the experience that comes to the totally selfless and one-pointed. […] Maintaining, in this matter, the attitude of a strict operationalist, the Buddha would speak only of the spiritual experience, not of the metaphysical entity presumed by the theologians of other religions, as also of later Buddhism, to be the object and (since in contemplation the knower, the known and the knowledge are all one) at the same time the subject and substance of that experience.
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Sep 20, 2012 7:07 AM #742852
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Really? Because I watched that film and Muhammad seems like kind of a jerk.


no hes the greatest man in history
google the greatest man in history (its proof)


lol this is what that muslim guy pmed me
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...you ever typed this in google?:(the greatest man in history)...you will get surprised...just like i did

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have you ever heard about the 100 ?...its a list was made by someone called Michael H. Hart (you can see from his name that his not BRAIN WASHED)...this list is about the most greatest 100 persons in history...guess who is number 1???
check it here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100

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i think you havent notice that some of those who were speaking about him are not brainwashed(muslims)but yet they realized his greatness...THAT is my f***ing point

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:rolleyes:...well i cant blame you for being an ignorant...i feel sorry for you:(...i really do:(

the logic of religious people freak me the fuck out. its like they can trick themselves into believing whatever they want
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Sep 20, 2012 11:12 AM #742965
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i dont believe in the whole big bang theory thing. if your curious about the existence of god then the good news is theres a whole book on it. also give praying a shot! what could it hurt, right?
to me it makes much more sense that god created all this. especially since if we pay attention we can feel gods presence, as well as a demons presence (those are the ones that make you wanna do somethin bad). if more athiests studied the bible i believe they would begin to agree with it. alot makes since. i would say another thing is that an athiest is the easy way out. though gods way is more satisfiying
by the way i had a question for an athiest! ive always wondered where they thought the bible came from? did they think it plopped down with the big bang or what?


Have a read through this. Then come back to me and tell me what this "god" thing is that you keep talking about.
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Sep 20, 2012 11:50 AM #742980
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Have a read through this. Then come back to me and tell me what this "god" thing is that you keep talking about.


"sorry bub, the only thing i read is da gud ol' BIBLE"
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Sep 20, 2012 11:55 AM #742986
I am god and it's wroten in bible.
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Sep 20, 2012 3:03 PM #743075
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(even though it's just theory, it still has weight)


It's not "just" a theory, please don't imply that a scientific theory is somehow less valid because of the casual definition of theory in a non-scientific context.

I know you're reaffirming its validity, but still, I hate seeing people say it's "just a theory".
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Sep 20, 2012 3:49 PM #743092
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Cool. Why is that? State your case and let's talk about it.





That's awesome. One book, that has survived for centuries is apparently the answer to how everything came to be. How convenient that this is the only empirical proof of such an omniscient being, a being by which we can never hope to know of or about. This is of course, opposed to the many scientific research and documentation that's been done in the past up until now on things like evolution and the big bang (even though it's just theory, it still has weight).






And what could it hurt, not praying? Give not praying a shot as well.





You can't feel something that doesn't exist. Whatever it is you're "feeling" is just in your mind because then everyone in the world can "feel" it as well. It's amazing what the brain can do given a few stimuli. Mass hysteria for example.





Why is it an easy way out for atheists? Because they don't need to understand that faith in an imaginary deity is essential? All atheists may not believe in god, but some of them do believe in good ole logical proof. Some atheists actually believe in god but only under the pretense of being in the pursuit of knowledge. And they're not going to get answers by studying one silly book that apparently magically has all the answers.

Plop down from the big bang wtf. The bible was written by a couple of tards who were trying to spread a religion. They all gathered together and firmly believed in something that doesn't exist, so that it may exist.


i dont believe in the big bang theory because im in touch with the holy spirit and it tells me all i need to know. that sounds silly because its hard to convince someone that doesnt read the bible to believe in God, so allow me to steer you away from the alternative. let me remind you we're not talking about a scientific fact. were talking about a scientific theory.
government robs us, lies to us and poisons are food with gmo and vitamin substitutes. and we are trusting scientists payed by them?

its not the only proof. dont forget the bible is many books in one. not to mention lost books of the bible (the ones that no one put in).

what could it hurt not praying? wtf is that supposed to mean? youve done that already!

ofcourse i do feel it, so it must exist! feeling Gods presence doesnt come from the mind. (cheesy line coming up) it comes from the soul. once you feel it you know it.

Gods path means no deception, no strip clubs, no adultry, no getting caught up with wealth. yes i would say atheist is the much easier way. if its all logical proof then why do we still call it theory? lol silly book? i suggest start repenting now, friend.

ugh.... scientific studies haven't been around too long but the bible has. how could a couple of tards create a fictional character who is the most famous person in the world? i promise you, if it was "a couple of tards" it wouldnt have gone this far. by the way, sorry for the sarcasm earlier. obviously it didnt plop down.
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Sep 20, 2012 5:28 PM #743125
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i dont believe in the whole big bang theory thing. if your curious about the existence of god then the good news is theres a whole book on it. also give praying a shot! what could it hurt, right?
to me it makes much more sense that god created all this. especially since if we pay attention we can feel gods presence, as well as a demons presence (those are the ones that make you wanna do somethin bad). if more athiests studied the bible i believe they would begin to agree with it. alot makes since. i would say another thing is that an athiest is the easy way out. though gods way is more satisfiying
by the way i had a question for an athiest! ive always wondered where they thought the bible came from? did they think it plopped down with the big bang or what?

I hate how I've reached a point in my life when reading something like this physically pains me. I was literally squinting in a combination of hatred and disbelief at the stupidity of it.
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Sep 20, 2012 8:34 PM #743190
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let me remind you we're not talking about a scientific fact. were talking about a scientific theory.


Facts are directly observable and experimentally verifiable.

Theories explain phenomena that we cannot observe directly (gravity, evolution, the big bang) using facts and evidence. It's an explanation, the best one possible given the data that supports it. Facts will never become theories and vice versa.

If you're going to challenge a theory, you need to address the facts behind it, and explain why they are incompatible with the theory. Dismissing it as "just a theory" is just proving your own ignorance to simple scientific terms.

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its not the only proof. dont forget the bible is many books in one. not to mention lost books of the bible (the ones that no one put in).


By this logic, Harry Potter is "proof" that wizards exist because a story about them is written in a series of books.

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ofcourse i do feel it, so it must exist! feeling Gods presence doesnt come from the mind. (cheesy line coming up) it comes from the soul. once you feel it you know it.


If I get a sharp pain in my leg, the only thing that I can say for sure is "I feel something". That doesn't say anything about what's causing it. Could be a cramp, or a bug biting me, or anything else.

If I also believe the ghost of Andre the Giant is haunting me, and I say he's the one making my leg hurt, that doesn't prove anything. That's ridiculous.

You feel something, but you have no reason to say it's God causing it.


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Gods path means no deception, no strip clubs, no adultry, no getting caught up with wealth. yes i would say atheist is the much easier way.


Uhh, you base your entire moral code on a book? Being an atheist doesn't mean you can't be a good person, I don't need a commandment to know murder is wrong. You're coming off as a pompous dick for implying your religion makes you better than me.
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Sep 20, 2012 8:37 PM #743192
I call this one. Edit: Aww shucks.

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i dont believe in the big bang theory because im in touch with the holy spirit and it tells me all i need to know.


Exams won't be a problem then. Good for you.

that sounds silly because its hard to convince someone that doesnt read the bible to believe in God,


I have a Bible right in front of me. And another (bigger) one on my bookshelf. I read a children's edition several times as a child. The pictures were pretty and it was a good source of short stories; no need for an attention span. Come at me, bro.

so allow me to steer you away from the alternative. let me remind you we're not talking about a scientific fact. were talking about a scientific theory.


There is no such thing as a scientific fact. Absolute truths are the realm of logic and philosophy, and maybe maths if I'm feeling generous. Everything empirical is a theory. Theory of gravity, theory of relativity, quantum theory, theory of evolution, big bang theory. All well-supported by the evidence. That's why they're theories and not hypotheses.

(Edit: Defer to Exilement on this one)

government robs us, lies to us and poisons are food with gmo and vitamin substitutes. and we are trusting scientists payed by them?


Scientists publish their results along with how they obtained them so that the experiments can be repeated. Usually people in different countries across the globe are able to verify their results, and when they're not the original scientists are made to look like a fool. You are not being asked to "trust" anyone. Hell, if you have the time you can go and do the work yourself.

I haven't even touched on how ridiculous you sound with your conspiracy theories, or how little funding actually comes from the government. I didn't even attack the gaping weak point where you argue that science is a matter of faith but listening to your religious leaders is backed up by hard empirical evidence.

its not the only proof. dont forget the bible is many books in one. not to mention lost books of the bible (the ones that no one put in).


Are you going to suggest that the fact that Emperor Constantine picked and chose which bits of the Bible suited him best actually makes it a more reliable source?

what could it hurt not praying? wtf is that supposed to mean? youve done that already!


His question was aimed at you. If you're saying that he might as well pray, he's saying that you might as well not pray. Doesn't make a difference one way or the other, except for the time saved. But let's be honest, you'd each use that time for masturbation so there's no need to get hung up on it.

ofcourse i do feel it, so it must exist! feeling Gods presence doesnt come from the mind. (cheesy line coming up) it comes from the soul. once you feel it you know it.


Thought experiment time. How do you know you're not crazy? Realistically you can't, and nor can I. Maybe you're a figment of my imagination. Maybe I'm Satan testing your faith. If you thought you were being cheesy, I'm pulling out a Matrix analogy. My point is that how certain you feel about something has no relation whatsoever to the likelihood of it being true. For a real-life example, billions of people have "known" their religion was right and they all thought different things to you.

Gods path means no deception, no strip clubs, no adultry, no getting caught up with wealth. yes i would say atheist is the much easier way.


But if you do all that for three score and ten years you get an eternity of bliss. Atheists still have morality, but we end up with oblivion no matter how well we stick to it.

how could a couple of tards create a fictional character who is the most famous person in the world?


Two words: Stephanie. Meyer.
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Sep 20, 2012 8:42 PM #743194
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I call this one. Edit: Aww shucks.


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