Quote from ScootyI was merely using the comparison as a method to prove my point. Regardless, you're entirely right about the off-topic part. Shall we start again?
I'm really questioning the concept of a loving god after he let something slip by like the massacre of Newtown. Those kids had their whole lives ahead of them, and they were unceremoniously ended by a lunatic with a rifle. Claims have been made that God respects all life, but when I see shit like that happening every year now, it's getting harder and harder to justify them. There was an old belief called Deism that centered around the thought of God creating all life, and then leaving us to our own devices. Kind of like an old crank toy where you wind it up, and then throw away the key to see what it does. Assuming such a God does exist, that's where I would put my faith.
Quote from ScootyI was merely using the comparison as a method to prove my point. Regardless, you're entirely right about the off-topic part. Shall we start again?
I'm really questioning the concept of a loving god after he let something slip by like the massacre of Newtown. Those kids had their whole lives ahead of them, and they were unceremoniously ended by a lunatic with a rifle. Claims have been made that God respects all life, but when I see shit like that happening every year now, it's getting harder and harder to justify them. There was an old belief called Deism that centered around the thought of God creating all life, and then leaving us to our own devices. Kind of like an old crank toy where you wind it up, and then throw away the key to see what it does. Assuming such a God does exist, that's where I would put my faith.
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Yeah good luck with that. The only thing that could remotely be considered proof is the Bible, and that's part of the same mindset of this picture
Quote from Izunato Namikazeonly suckers believes that spider man exist
Quote from LeokillIf I won the lottery, and then some person came up to me claiming that he somehow magically made me win the lottery, I wouldn't believe him without any evidence. Just the fact that I won the lottery has nothing to do with him proving that he somehow made it happen.
Also, your analogy assumes that life inherently has any value. I'd rather not live, than live forever in eternal agony. The quality of your life has value, not life on its own.
Quote from Ahmad9383There is proof that God exists, many proofs. There are many things in our universe that have no rational scientific explanation. The only explanation is the existence of a God. One of those is how life came up on it's own. You can't just believe that it was all just a coincidence from nature. The chances of such a complex structure chemically such as the cell to occur on it's own are very small, I can't remember the exact number but for a probability to be considered impossible it should be 1 out of 10 to the power of 150 or less (http://sententias.org/2011/01/13/a-probability-so-small-its-impossible/), and the probability of life being out of luck is either that or less. This is because of the huge number of odds that prevent that.
I can come up with more proof but I am too lazy to go make another research.
Quote from Ahmad9383There are many things in our universe that have no rational scientific explanation. The only explanation is the existence of a God.
Quote from Ahmad9383One of those is how life came up on it's own. You can't just believe that it was all just a coincidence from nature. The chances of such a complex structure chemically such as the cell to occur on it's own are very small
Quote from LeokillAlright, so the christian god, Jahve right? Well...
In heaven, everyone is supposed to be happy, but what if you can't be happy without your family and the rest of your family (and most of the population in the world) is burning in hell, forever. How can you be happy and love god while knowing this? (Unless in heaven, you don't have free will or proper judgement on things, in which case the point of giving man free will in the first place would have been pointless and malicious.) And in general a god who creates things just to torture the majority of them seems kind of like a cosmic douchebag and not the malevolent entity he makes himself out to be. "Worship me or I'll fuck you up!" Then you do and he goes: "Oh yes, I spared you from my wrath. I am a merciful god indeed."
Also, Jesus seems to contradict his own teachings by saying this: Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Quote from ExilementExplaining this with "god did it" is like digging a hole so you can use the dirt to fill a different hole. Yes, you explained one thing, but now you have another hole to fill. The question now becomes "well, where did god come from?", and saying he's been around forever is impossible to support with evidence. This is not "proof", it's speculation, and it doesn't explain anything.
Like I said, I'm not demanding evidence, because I know you don't have it. You need to be aware of that as well, especially if you think you can "prove" god. You can't. Stop trying.
Quote from FocusFagod killed every one on earth but except Noah(and hes family i think) once, how can this god be good :s?
and you'll also be send to hell just because you don't believe in him, doesn't sound like a loving god to me
