The Death Penalty

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Dec 10, 2012 2:55 AM #812550

exactly, but the thing is, not every body is a crazy motherf***er, so that means only like,10000000 people wud be left

^^[this comment right here, by Alien Anims]the stupidest comment ever

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Dec 10, 2012 2:55 AM #812552

Cami just tried to copy me SWAG!

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Dec 10, 2012 3:00 AM #812557

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Cami just tried to copy me SWAG!

Thanks I didn't remember it was you <3

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Dec 10, 2012 3:02 AM #812560

That hurts I'm forgettable. Whens this thread getting closed alien is literally turning this into a flame war....

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Dec 10, 2012 3:08 AM #812565

I just I have on thing to say towards this thread in response of what alien said "An eye for an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind" -Gandi.

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Dec 10, 2012 5:01 AM #812653

I didn't read the rest of this thread so this may have came up.

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Killing ≠ murder.

It seems like you're implying that supporting the death penalty is innately contradictory, since he did explain his justification for supporting it. The legal definition of murder is very specific and doesn't leave any room for the argument you seem to be preparing for.

But when it comes to the death penalty it is basically the same. If the death penalty should be allowed, then logically it should be allowed for citizens who are proven to witness murders to kill the murderer, which can turn to an infinite vicious cycle. Of course this will never happen whether or not the death penalty is allowed or not.

Overall I'm against the death penalty because I disagree with the concepts of "an eye for an eye" and revenge, and that they should have no place in society.

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Dec 10, 2012 11:21 AM #812807

yes in a sense it should be allowed because with the death penalty murderes will fear murdering anybody because of the consequences, hence i just read about the soldier thingy they are not included because its not what we call murder but national defense, unless these people are the one who attacks but aslong as they just defend their nation and fight for freedom its not considered murder like self defense...

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Dec 10, 2012 5:26 PM #813006

I'm confused by your "no" response, what I said wasn't incorrect.

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But when it comes to the death penalty it is basically the same.

No, it's not. I made it very clear in my post that the term "murder" is not something you can throw around according to your own personal interpretation of it. This is a debate about law, and when it comes to legal matters the definitions of words are extremely important.

Creating hypothetical scenarios around what you think murder is/should be immediately invalidates your argument on the simple basis of the word's definition.

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If the death penalty should be allowed, then logically it should be allowed for citizens who are proven to witness murders to kill the murderer, which can turn to an infinite vicious cycle.

If you think that's a logical conclusion, then explain your logic. There are many ways I could explain why your conclusion is wrong, but it'd help to understand why you think it's right.

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Dec 10, 2012 8:40 PM #813166

Quote from Colonel-EX
yes in a sense it should be allowed because with the death penalty murderes will fear murdering anybody because of the consequences, hence i just read about the soldier thingy they are not included because its not what we call murder but national defense, unless these people are the one who attacks but aslong as they just defend their nation and fight for freedom its not considered murder like self defense...

That's why there's a penalty that makes you rot in jail for the rest of your days

it's not like: "Hey I'm going to murder someone because they will not kill me, they will JUST leave me in jail the rest of my life", if we're looking for a reason to make them regret, i think the death penatly can be perfectly replaced for the other one.

The main issue is, how bad it should be the crime to make it worth the penalty

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Dec 10, 2012 8:47 PM #813174

Actually in a way, soccer and death have been close.Anciet Aztecs or Mayans or watever played it.The loser sometimes died. But its still not relevant to the topic so this comment is basically useless.

Alien Anims, out.

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Dec 10, 2012 9:41 PM #813242

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Consider a person who murders a serial killer. Technically he should be given the death penalty under some hypothetical law. We then kill this person. The problem then is that we have killed someone for doing exactly the same thing as the act of killing him, the only difference being that when society kills this man there is some source of authority, and it's that which I don't agree with.

What hypothetical law are you talking about? Someone who stops a serial murderer by killing them wouldn't be given the death penalty, so I don't understand how this post relates to it at all.

It seems like you're trying to reduce murder, manslaughter, executions, military casualties and all other forms of homicide to simply "killing". That's the only way you could get away with making the legal system seem hypocritical for punishing killers by killing them.

But as I said early in this debate, killing isn't the same as murder, and the legal system doesn't murder murderers, so I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

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Dec 10, 2012 10:00 PM #813259

Quote from Alien Anims
Actually in a way, soccer and death have been close.Anciet Aztecs or Mayans or watever played it.The loser sometimes died. But its still not relevant to the topic so this comment is basically useless.

Alien Anims, out.

Dude... I don't want to offend or something. But if you're going to end all of your posts here like "But this post is pointless so ignore it" THEN WHY DO YOU POST

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Dec 10, 2012 10:03 PM #813264

@Alien Anims: Right, so in your view, the purpose of a person's life is to be useful to society. That's pretty dystopian, don't you think?
In that vein of thought, society is the be all and end all. SO we need ask ourselves; is there anything inherently good about society? NO! Society isn't a good in and of itself. Society is only good in so far as it benefits the individual. Therefore, saying that the only purpose of an individual is to help society is STUPID, given that the only purpose of society is to help individuals. Ergo, you're entire argument is flawed.

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Dec 10, 2012 10:13 PM #813282

Origanlly posted by Alien Anims

@Camila No its not, what if they are taking loans?Do you know the whole point of school Camila?Its so you can learn shit and be HELPFUL to SOCIETY. If your murdering people and wasting money, especialy in our horrible economy situation(america). You need to kick the bucket.Becuase all your doing is killing others who COULD help society. And to every body else,execution isnt a punishment.Its a penalty,(which makes no sense, since they are interelated) so that means you suffer, your not supposed learn.Hence the name, death PENALTY. Its like in soccer, if you foul somebody in the box, with no ball contact first(yes, i watch soccer) its a penalty. The refferee doesnt give you another chance. Thats the whole point, your not supposed to be given another chance with the death penalty.

You just die.

Originally Posted by walker90234

@Alien Anims: Right, so in your view, the purpose of a person's life is to be useful to society. That's pretty dystopian, don't you think?
In that vein of thought, society is the be all and end all. SO we need ask ourselves; is there anything inherently good about society? NO! Society isn't a good in and of itself. Society is only good in so far as it benefits the individual. Therefore, saying that the only purpose of an individual is to help society is STUPID, given that the only purpose of society is to help individuals. Ergo, you're entire argument is flawed.

now where in the fuck, did i say that's the only thing your supposed to do in life?YOUR comment is flawed, its based upon a misread comment. Wow, you are an amazing person walker90234. I applause at your stupidity.

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Dec 10, 2012 10:17 PM #813290

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Therefore, saying that the only purpose of an individual is to help society is STUPID, given that the only purpose of society is to help individuals.

Anything a society accomplishes is little more than the collective contribution of the individuals within it. That doesn't means individuals exist for society's benefit and nothing else, but I'd argue it's just as wrong to say societies exist only for the benefit of its members. If you think they do, North Korea would like to have a word with you.

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now where in the fuck, did i say that's the only thing your supposed to do in life?

You said a murderer should be killed "Becuase all your doing is killing others who COULD help society". You are condemning killers not for ruining lives or violating morals, but because they're killing people who could otherwise do something good for society. That's what walker was replying to.

If you can't debate without insulting someone, then stop posting here. ESPECIALLY when you're wrong. You already acted like an asshole because you think "illiterate" and "ignorant" mean the same thing, which is possibly the most ironic thing I've ever seen in my life. Next time you respond like that, you're getting another infraction.