After much testing, I think I can conclusively say the rage nerf has extremely upset the balance between Order and Chaos. The major difference is that Chaos can get an extra miner right at the start and still harrass the hell out of Order's miners without much consequence. The 3 total miner, 2 crawler start puts chaos 50% ahead economically for almost the same amount of benefit--order will get middle tower for a short time, but chaos will harass the hell out of miners. The only thing that eventually swung things back into order's direction was the 50 gold 50 mana rage upgrade, which is now impossible to get until one round of miner gold, by which it is too late.

Things were already in favour of Chaos before the rage nerf; but now it's just impossible to beat a decent chaos player.

Essentially, you need to make it so that the 200 gold chaos spends on crawlers has a proportionate less of an effect than the 300 order has to spend on swords. At the moment this is not balanced at all, due to the fact that Chaos can grab an extra miner right from the start and still do crippling amounts of damage to Order.

This sounds like a ....
RAGE THREAD.
Awesome pun.

How many different openings have you tried?

Loads. I wouldn't comment unless you actually know how to play Order vs Chaos.

All you have to do is get a castle archer at the start of a match to get rid of the crawler problem. Crawlers are weak unless with pack mentality(duh) and I tested 2 crawlers vs. 1 swordwrath. The crawlers won but one died and the other had barley any health left and I don't think a chaos player with that crawler would attack your statue and if he/she does, use a miner to finish the crawler off.

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Loads. I wouldn't comment unless you actually know how to play Order vs Chaos.

That sounds like a rage post!
Rage post in a thread about rage, funny.

Anyways, that was an amazingly helpful post you made, now be more specific if you want some actual help.

Get a castle archer at the beginning and your economically screwed. You will have 3 miners vs chaos 3 miners and tower, which is equivalent to 4.5 miners. Again, chaos is now 50% ahead and you will eventually get destroyed

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That sounds like a rage post!
Rage post in a thread about rage, funny.

Anyways, that was an amazingly helpful post you made, now be more specific if you want some actual help.

Not a rage post. I just think you have no idea how to play order vs chaos. I was very specific in my first post about what the problems are.

Have you ever thought of, oh I don't know, not using rage?

Finally, someone who actually has some sense.

The early stages should at least leave players even economically but you cannot achieve this with the current balance.

I think the best thing to do would switch the emphasis on miner attack to tower attack. Put rage back to what it was and decrease castle archer cost to 150 for both sides. It would breathe a little bit more life into a teching or part-teching strat which is not really viable at the moment.

er...I don't use rage, as it is no longer viable.

Spending any money on rage just gets you killed.

If I know the enemy is using chaos
At the start I will send 2 swordwraths to the middle, make one miner
If the crawlers attack my miners, call all miners to attack those crawlers

Your swordwraths may not be able to capture the middle but your enemy will need time to get rid of your swordwrath
and you can develop your economy and get a spearton to reinforce them laterly

IF you call all your miners to attack his crawlers, that is your economy gone. He will just move his crawlers away to.

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IF you call all your miners to attack his crawlers, that is your economy gone. He will just move his crawlers away to.

Then why not, at the same time....
I'm just, thinking out-loud here...
Attack his miners?

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IF you call all your miners to attack his crawlers, that is your economy gone. He will just move his crawlers away to.

i said A miner