Freedom to Kill

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Jan 2, 2013 2:33 PM #839101

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Strange, I thought of it sorta as a very long story that writes itself...
I figured killing someone would be like ending one long story that could have been beautiful...

I fins this post very poetic.

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Jan 2, 2013 2:37 PM #839103

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Then what is your definition of extreme circumstances.
The more I type the more I have a Christion beleif

I basically go by the same morality as Leo. We have alot in common with this kindof shit, If threatened or if said "murderer" is threatening people of innocence. Than action should be taken so instead of people getting hurt you can save them, but In the end, murder is murder so killing the person will not fix anything or mend anything as well as it could...

No subject.. And I mean no subject can be discussed as black or white. Every action has a reaction and if it was a good action it will have a bad reaction... And if bad then vise versa... Now although this thought isnt applicable to everything. It is to MANY things.

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Jan 2, 2013 3:33 PM #839177

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I totally agree, life is like a big test, if someone kills another guy its like tearing the work paper and completely destroying it so the test is not complete

Don't call life a test, because tests are taken on equal ground. Life, on the other hand, is not fair at all.

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It does matter if someone gets killed, because god has plans for our life, with plans I mean to Lear thing in this earth and progress intellectual and espiritually, by killing others we're ruining those "achievments"

You're completely ignoring the fact that god is omnipotent and omniscient. Everything that happens, happens because he wills it to happen. God's plan for anyone who gets murdered is: To get murdered.
You're not seriously suggesting that a man could "ruin" god's plan, are you?

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Strange, I thought of it sorta as a very long story that writes itself...
I figured killing someone would be like ending one long story that could have been beautiful...

Are you high? I bet you're high. You need to post when you're high more often.

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Jan 2, 2013 10:31 PM #839573

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Don't call life a test, because tests are taken on equal ground. Life, on the other hand, is not fair at all.

You're completely ignoring the fact that god is omnipotent and omniscient. Everything that happens, happens because he wills it to happen. God's plan for anyone who gets murdered is: To get murdered.
You're not seriously suggesting that a man could "ruin" god's plan, are you?

Wrong, the second best thing that god gave us (apart from life) was the free will to make our choices. We can choose whatever to believe or do, because we have our free will to do it, god can't intervene in our choices.

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Jan 2, 2013 10:43 PM #839595

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Wrong, the second best thing that god gave us (apart from life) was the free will to make our choices. We can choose whatever to believe or do, because we have our free will to do it, god can't intervene in our choices.

Free will isn't as simple as you make it out to be. For example, we have a genetic predisposition to certain things, our surroundings affect our choices, and limit the logical ones and so on. We did not get to choose our genes or our surroundings. Someone might have been born with a genetic predisposition to killing. It's not really his fault for "choosing" to have these tendencies, is it?

Also, our free will could be potentially controlled, and we wouldn't even know the difference. It's just electric impulses in our brains, after all.

EDIT: The same way, I wouldn't be justified in building a malfunctioning robot, and then blaming the robot for it's fault.

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Jan 2, 2013 10:47 PM #839599

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Free will isn't as simple as you make it out to be. For example, we have a genetic predisposition to certain things, our surroundings affect our choices, and limit the logical ones and so on. We did not get to choose our genes or our surroundings. Someone might have been born with a genetic predisposition to killing. It's not really his fault for "choosing" to have these tendencies, is it?

Also, our free will could be potentially controlled, and we wouldn't even know the difference. It's just electric impulses in our brains, after all.

Maybe a little bitt controlled or influenced by some thigs, but we always have the right to choose another option, even if it's not the morally correct one; but you can't deny the fact that we always have a second option to everything.

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Jan 2, 2013 10:53 PM #839604

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Maybe a little bitt controlled or influenced by some thigs, but we always have the right to choose another option, even if it's not the morally correct one; but you can't deny the fact that we always have a second option to everything.

We can be influenced and controlled to the extreme too. Most of the time it's just little things, yes, but it's absolutely ludicrous to say that a person who is born without empathy, or is born gay, "chose" to be like that.

Thankfully, most of often are often presented with choices, but we don't always get to choose. There's just the illusion of choice.

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Jan 2, 2013 11:02 PM #839610

You should only have the freedom in these circumstances

Self-defense
Protecting someone like family or president (Anyone)
Doing your job (Police, Military, etc.)
I think you should also have the freedom to kill in revenge. Even if the person you are killing didn't do something to physically harm you, but emotionally or physiologically.

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Jan 3, 2013 11:50 AM #840622

I very much agree with Camila and Alphaman, It's not only because we have the same religion, it is also because I'm a human.

So if we kill, chaos will spread even though it is death penalty. Yes I do believe death penalty can discipline people, but it won't last forever. If soldiers or polices killed people in crime situations or war, it is because the opponent fights back, Both of them must protect themselves too. So the first kill lucky.

That situation above makes their family angry and wants to seek revenge. So they will be ploted to kill, so the war continues.

The best way to prevent killing by law, merciless kill, or cold-blooded kill is to be GOOD, KIND AND NOT SELF-CENTERED.

(My Opinion or Christian's Opinion or whatever :D )