Quote from ~Matthew~

~Elder Greg.

Yeah. Don't go anywhere near what these Elders say. They interpret everything very wrongly and end up starting bandwagons. Kind of like how they interpret furries, lesbians, bronies, and so on. Though he does make a good point on the Genesis book.

If wrong or right is too subjective, then I dont really see how this thread makes any sense, at all. Im suprised Jeff hasn't binned it yet.

Nobody really says gay is RIGHT. They just ACCEPT gay people, and respect them. It depends on where you are to tell you the truth.

Quote from GroundXero

It isn't a product of the way human beings are supposed to function; Scientifically, it is wrong.

Scientific methodology isn't going to determine what's "right" and "wrong" in a topic like this. It's useful for explaining natural phenomena, but it doesn't set a standard for what should and shouldn't happen, because nature isn't driven by an objective standard of normality or righteousness.

All science can do is explain how we evolved to have two sexes with distinct reproductive structures, and the physiology behind sexual attraction, but a scientific approach doesn't determine what's right on the basis of what is. Any argument based on that line of reasoning is fallacious.

I personally think homosexuality is wrong and will never support it or encourage someone to be gay. But I won't ridicule you for your decision or as some people would have you believe, your "condition". If you're gay then good for you. We can be friends and hang out and stuff the same as I would with anyone else. Just don't be gay for me or we might have a problem.

EDIT: My bad Exilement. I think homosexuality is wrong for 2 reasons. 1 is the one that most other people go to first, the bible. I believe in it and it says it's wrong. Simple. Reason 2 is hard to explain, but to make it simple it's just a gut feeling. For example, as you grow up you acquire likings for foods, smells, and sights like bright lights. But if someone is born, raised and ends up liking the smell and taste of battery fluid better than vegetables, it's still their choice to consume it instead of the alternative. And even though they can't help craving for it because it's a part of them, and they're born with it, doesn't make it any less wrong.

Quote from Grim

I personally think homosexuality is wrong and will never support it or encourage someone to be gay. But I won't ridicule you for your decision

What makes you think sexual orientation is a choice?

Also, this is a debate on why you think it's right or wrong, not a place to share your opinion or explain how you personally treat people. Nothing you said explains why you believe it's wrong.

Quote from Exilement

why you think it's right or wrong

I believe it is right, though my reasoning is not based on religion or morals, but for the undeniable truth
that the colon can be one of the most pleasurable body parts when treated right. Plus vaginas are gross.

Edit: If my post was not enough on topic then allow me to push forward another thought. It seems that
this argument falls into two categories. The primary being whether homosexual preference is innate or
circumstantial. The Secondary category being moral bias. This is the one that should be less argued since
one side's beliefs can not be, in terms of absolute certainty, correctly displayed as a point of disagreement
(ie. religion, tradition, ect.). Though, after a quick skim through the previous posts it has seemed that the
foremost has been mentioned prior.

Quantum, if scientifically, being gay is a defect, I don't think it can be necessarily right. But, I can see how people can come to accept it and live on with it and respect gay people.

bieng gay is not wrong, however; if you engage in a sexual activity that is gay it is an abomination says the bible. So there is your answer. post script God loves everyone equally even gay people.

Quote from Alien

Quantum, if scientifically, being gay is a defect, I don't think it can be necessarily right. But, I can see how people can come to accept it and live on with it and respect gay people.

I find it kind of amusing that you call it a defect. I am absolutely sure that there would be a great margin of people
that would defend homosexual behavior as non-defective or even an exemplary trait (exemplary may not be the
right word, but it gets the point across). If you would like to state it as a gene mutation, then sure, but mutations
are just the process of coming up with a better product through trial and error. Some may even argue that it is
beneficial because it can reduce population, and the adoption of children by homosexual parents is quite a good thing.

Edit: It is a good thing because: 1.) Parents will not later reproduce and have another child of their own 2.) May be more
committed to parenting for a number of reasons including to show others that homosexuals are equally able to parent.

Quote from Pin

Can I just say everyone sins. No matter what. And no sin is worse than another.

I gotta disagree on the "no sin is worse than another" thing bro. Yes everyone sins at some point, and I do agree that a sin is a sin. But if I were to blow someones kneecaps off with a shotgun and shit on their corpse, then go steal some guy's sunglasses, could you really look me in the eye and tell me that the 1st offense wasn't infinitely worse than the 2nd?

Yes. Being gay is fucking terrible. All you supporters are terrible and are going to hell. God kills americans because we're gay sympathizers. You're all going to feel his wrath.

Quote from Grim

I gotta disagree on the "no sin is worse than another" thing bro. Yes everyone sins at some point, and I do agree that a sin is a sin. But if I were to blow someones kneecaps off with a shotgun and shit on their corpse, then go steal some guy's sunglasses, could you really look me in the eye and tell me that the 1st offense wasn't infinitely worse than the 2nd?

To us it is different, and a lot worse, murder and lying are hugely different. But in the bible all sin is sin, so "in the eyes of the lord" you have committed a sin, it's not about which sin is worse, it's about the fact that you commited the sin in the first place. God does not have levels of sin in bad to worse. To us as people, a lie isn't as bad as killing someone, but to God, we sinned. Period.

Quote from Wartooth

Yes. Being gay is fucking terrible. All you supporters are terrible and are going to hell. God kills americans because we're gay sympathizers. You're all going to feel his wrath.

God doesn't send the supporters to hell if they have not fallen under the sin. If a straight guy supports a gay guy, he will not go to hell for it because he is loving his neighbor.

Quote from Pin

To us it is different, and a lot worse, murder and lying are hugely different. But in the bible all sin is sin, so "in the eyes of the lord" you have committed a sin, it's not about which sin is worse, it's about the fact that you commited the sin in the first place. God does not have levels of sin in bad to worse. To us as people, a lie isn't as bad as killing someone, but to God, we sinned. Period.

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