order is unfair! to strong!

Swordwrath: it could defeat 2 crawlers at the price of slightly more than 1

archer: faster and cheaper than dead. sure, dead poison, but they can't kite very good and need mana that you usually don't have early game.

Marrowkai: can reap units like a meric heals, but meric cures faster, and can cure poison!

Medusa: stones/ instakills any non giant unit. LIES! CANNOT STONE A SHIELD WALL SPEARTON! poison needs them to get close. GET ARCHERS!

bomber: good in early game, but you can seperate you units to make your opponent waist more gold than you.

juggernight: better than spearton, but usually once you get a spearton you will have shield wall, and sheild bash. They hold much more potential!

Eclipsor: faster and cheaper, but albowcross can buff with fire arrows. they are more expensive and slower than eclipsors, but they are armored and better.

chaos giant: same price, and can solo a enslaved giant because of more health, but enslaved do more damage and ranged! chaos giants are still better through.

enslaved miner: miner wall is much much better than miner tower! even through enslaved miner has passive health regen, miner wall is better!

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Sure, one more ninja regular hit would kill the medusa/marrow, but that puts too much danger on the ninja, as if you are going to hit and run, trying to hit one more time reduces the chance oh the ninja getting away when they have other units. What you want is to kill the medusa, and have the ninja come out ALIVE.

Also, swords don't have double the health of swords because crawlers have health regen, so it is more like a third more health. I do have to admit the damage of crawlers is kind or pathetic compared to swords. Swords are also too weak against bombers. It seems like all you have to do is separate your units and it is soooo easy to do that. No. Separating units isn't easy, and it is pretty difficult. And what's chaos' counter to separating units? Holding their bombers until the swords get back together. Then we have to separate them over and over again and for the whole time crawlers are putting damage on the swords while the swords are just running around trying to not get killed by bombers. And what happens when the order player bypasses that? They cam separate the bombers and detonate, which should be as easssyy as separating swords, and separating bombers beating separating swords as bombers put a large dent on sword health.

I may have replied to this before, but let me use this. This is the perfect example: www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1727752&version=1.66

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who would freaking stone the spearton, they have no real value
Your points are invalid, period.


HaHa Chaos users failed to accept the fact...(oh and don't say order users failed to accept the fact)
If you don't have enough skill in using chaos, don't
Order is not OP period.

Actually try to use Chaos right now. You will see how fucking hard it is to keep up with order.

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Actually try to use Chaos right now. You will see how fucking hard it is to keep up with order.

Well, actually we Order player have also a hard time against you Chaos players. And as you can see at the moment, the most users vote for
"order is not unfair and should not be nerfed".

Why isnt it public. Anyway most top players/chaos users will agree that Order right now is OP. And pray tell, how is it hard to keep up with us? We, for one, start with crawlers. The weak guys. And then you say "they're cheap, easy to mass." Same goes for swordwrath. And its a given that swordwraths is definitely better than crawlers. And then you say, "bombs." Well they sure are not easy to control. For one, if you slip up, you end up with 3 bombs killing 1 swordwrath. Which is a waste. And its easy to slip up with these fast boys. Plus, swords have Rage. Another reason. Then (if you have good macro) comes archer. Theyre are deadly. Trust me.

Then we go to mid-game! Speartons are weaker, you say? Well its kinda true, but. You must have swords to back up that spear, right? Meanwhile I have a jugger, and just a couple of crawlers. I aim for swords, you aim for crawlers. End result = Spear+Sword wins. And you might have an archer. While I have an eclipsor. According to stickman, 1 archer>infinite eclipsor. They can kite. Pfft, we're not talking about that bullshit. You have tanks. Speartons, and spear wall. Oh boy. And alba is stronger than wingi, but who uses them anyway. You have archers.

Late game. EGiant, is definitely better than CGiant. EGiant is ranged. And even though they buffed CGiant, they still is just as useless. Medusa and Marrow is good, but not as good as Magikill, which has definitely have more use than just petrifying and losing its usefulness.

I'd like to say more, but I have to go.

That are some really good statements......but still: Then what do you think should be Nerf/buff. I mean, each empires have their own strategies.... and wait: Why 1 Archer>infinity Wingadon? And, who would aim for Crawlers???

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That are some really good statements......but still: Then what do you think should be Nerf/buff. I mean, each empires have their own strategies.... and wait: Why 1 Archer>infinity Wingadon? And, who would aim for Crawlers???

For the archer one ask stickman, he has godly micro. I didn't understand the 2nd question.

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Then we go to mid-game! Speartons are weaker, you say? Well its kinda true, but. You must have swords to back up that spear, right? Meanwhile I have a jugger, and just a couple of crawlers. I aim for swords, you aim for crawlers. End result = Spear+Sword wins.

Thats the quetion: Why aiming on Crawler?

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Well, actually we Order player have also a hard time against you Chaos players. And as you can see at the moment, the most users vote for
"order is not unfair and should not be nerfed".

The majority of those votes are in fact order users and not chaos users.

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The majority of those votes are in fact order users and not chaos users.

Oh, that could be :) I didnt know it, cause it isnt show for me....oh and: Now I really think Order is OP against Chaos....But why we arent looking this way: Just buy Chaos for fun. Use it as a bigger challenge against Order as to be Order itself... I mean: For some previous Order player was it boring to play as Order...

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Oh, that could be :) I didnt know it, cause it isnt show for me....oh and: Now I really think Order is OP against Chaos....But why we arent looking this way: Just buy Chaos for fun. Use it as a bigger challenge against Order as to be Order itself... I mean: For some previous Order player was it boring to play as Order...

From Order's POV, Chaos is OP. From Chaos's POV, Order is OP. As Ai said in his Order vs Chaos thread.

So, since there are more Order players than Chaos players, we have a larger body of evidence, therefore Chaos is OP!

JK. :)

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From Order's POV, Chaos is OP. From Chaos's POV, Order is OP. As Ai said in his Order vs Chaos thread.

So, since there are more Order players than Chaos players, we have a larger body of evidence, therefore Chaos is OP!

JK. :)

True. But I need to add; Order is now so op that some Order people say that Order is OP.
And if that 'elite noob' says something stupid again (I said it :o), ill give him a piece of my mind.

Maybe we should make this thread

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So list what you believe should be Nerfed for Order/Buffed for Chaos in the first place, Chaos Players

Buff crawlers attack by a tiny bit not a lot but a bit.
Make it 11 seconds for crawlers too build
and make archers loading time longer or 350 again