Firstly let's talk about what really matters here. The nitty gritty, THE SPEAR.

It's been mildly and rightfully nerfed. They cut its width from 60 to 30, so it's half. What that means is it's got half the hit box it had before and for a frame of reference teemo is 100x100 so the spear used to have a hit box 60% of teemos size. Basically, it was insane. Or in other words, now it's twice as easy to dodge. But still she will score a few lucky shots and take the majority of your life bar, without earning any of it because the cool down is the same and it's still just as easy to spam as before. I'm talking about how sometimes she misses her real target and hits you entirely on accident.
So the core problem is still there, nidalee players should still be always throwing spears. Because they tried to use duct tape to fix a broken transmission. I'm hesitant to even call it a rework, really. They need to swap out that old broken ass transmission for something that doesn't make the vehicle run like shit.

The problem is this, the ability is fucking broken and it makes no sense. Slightly tweaking the numbers isn't going to fix something that's inherently fucked up. But at least the spear isn't as unforgiving as it used to be. Nidalee players will still be hucking that goddamn spear as fast as they can, because they can. I don't care what riot THINKS the core mechanic of this champion is supposed to be, cougar form, whatever. Really the core mechanic is that spear because that's what players use the most. And when the core mechanic of a character is broken, we've got a problem still.

She wasn't even spectacular to begin with, as Devour pointed out to me, at the end of the game when it's all said and done her damage totals are pretty meager. It's just that she usually does all her damage at once, usually instantly killing you with a spear that you didn't have the time or foresight to avoid because it's the millionth one in a row and you can't dodge all of them. I never thought the champion itself was over powered, just that stupid fucking ability. And since it's been nerfed, now players have even less reason to play this boring, unskilled, fucking mess of a champion.

I think the nerf made her a bit less toxic, but I don't care because nothing was really fixed. At least I don't absolutely cringe every time I face a nidalee, instead my eye twitches now. So I guess it is a bit of an improvement.

For me she's still mostly unfun to face, and always I enjoy preying on weak nidalee players who can't adjust to my dodging skills. But eventually I will get tagged, I will suddenly die and it will be just as frustrating as always.

Holy shit this thread is legit. I just came in to say "WoW > LoL".

Hahaha, not when it comes to competitive skill it isn't.

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Firstly let's talk about what really matters here. The nitty gritty, THE SPEAR.

It's been mildly and rightfully nerfed. They cut its width from 60 to 30, so it's half. What that means is it's got half the hit box it had before and for a frame of reference teemo is 100x100 so the spear used to have a hit box 60% of teemos size. Basically, it was insane. Or in other words, now it's twice as easy to dodge. But still she will score a few lucky shots and take the majority of your life bar, without earning any of it because the cool down is the same and it's still just as easy to spam as before. I'm talking about how sometimes she misses her real target and hits you entirely on accident.
So the core problem is still there, nidalee players should still be always throwing spears. Because they tried to use duct tape to fix a broken transmission. I'm hesitant to even call it a rework, really. They need to swap out that old broken ass transmission for something that doesn't make the vehicle run like shit.

The problem is this, the ability is fucking broken and it makes no sense. Slightly tweaking the numbers isn't going to fix something that's inherently fucked up. But at least the spear isn't as unforgiving as it used to be. Nidalee players will still be hucking that goddamn spear as fast as they can, because they can. I don't care what riot THINKS the core mechanic of this champion is supposed to be, cougar form, whatever. Really the core mechanic is that spear because that's what players use the most. And when the core mechanic of a character is broken, we've got a problem still.

She wasn't even spectacular to begin with, as Devour pointed out to me, at the end of the game when it's all said and done her damage totals are pretty meager. It's just that she usually does all her damage at once, usually instantly killing you with a spear that you didn't have the time or foresight to avoid because it's the millionth one in a row and you can't dodge all of them. I never thought the champion itself was over powered, just that stupid fucking ability. And since it's been nerfed, now players have even less reason to play this boring, unskilled, fucking mess of a champion.

I think the nerf made her a bit less toxic, but I don't care because nothing was really fixed. At least I don't absolutely cringe every time I face a nidalee, instead my eye twitches now. So I guess it is a bit of an improvement.

For me she's still mostly unfun to face, and always I enjoy preying on weak nidalee players who can't adjust to my dodging skills. But eventually I will get tagged, I will suddenly die and it will be just as frustrating as always.

Well said. Though I do want to point out that I think Nidalee's spear damage is in a good place right now. What they need to do is make a way for her spears to be more fun to play against.

They should make spear damage not just be low, but completely non-existent in the inner half of its range. It makes no sense to see Nidalee throw her spear at someone at melee range, since it'd be physically impossible to do normally. This gives players ways to play against the spear very effectively, while opening opportunities for Nid to fight in cougar form since she can switch in from level 1 now.

Like so:


Then, they should do the same thing they do with Xerath's Q, leaving borders around the spear's flight path to make it easier to see in the clusterfuck of teamfights.

Oh man, great idea.

Sure it's impractical to throw a spear at close range, in reality, but the spear is still in her hands and is still a spear. Maybe they should make it so that it becomes a melee attack that knocks enemies away or slows them when in melee range. To even further increase the skill requirement in additions to the changes you described. It could also make a cool combo, where you can switch out of tiger form and knock them away.

Optimally they would change how it works all together. A spear that is more powerful the farther it flies? That doesn't make any sense, they don't even describe the spear as magical. I'd understand if, say Lux had an ability that operated like that, like a light javaline. Something that had flavor rooted in magic.

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Hahaha, not when it comes to competitive skill it isn't.

Lol I know...I was just never into PvP on wow and league reminds me of that. I like how wow is so expansive. So many things to do. It really is like a whole world.

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Played wow since Vanilla, top prot pally on my server forever, both pve and pvp, and I would have to disagree. However its an apples to oranges comparison, they are completely different types of Games. i miss WoW, old WoW anyways. I got excited for Draenor until I saw what a colossal desperate cash grab it is.

Whoa where the fuck did you come from? You're still here...

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Holy shit this thread is legit. I just came in to say "WoW > LoL".

If you come in a LoL thread to say that you know it's not gonna end well.

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If you come in a LoL thread to say that you know it's not gonna end well.

I think she knows that lol. But she doesn't know our secret weapon.

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I think she knows that lol. But she doesn't know our secret weapon.

Zac?...

Oh a real secret weapon... Of course!!

cootbrown1122
Incase anyone wants to play with me.
I have 63 champs including the new champ, Braum.

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cootbrown1122
Incase anyone wants to play with me.
I have 63 champs including the new champ, Braum.

What server?

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Lol I know...I was just never into PvP on wow and league reminds me of that. I like how wow is so expansive. So many things to do. It really is like a whole world.



Whoa where the fuck did you come from? You're still here...

Dude bro, we've got to totally meet up on WoW and ya know, fly around together or something.

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What server?

North America.

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Dude bro, we've got to totally meet up on WoW and ya know, fly around together or something.

Haha wellllll I don't play anymore. But lemme stop talking about WoW in this LoL thread.