Quote from Gyohdon

The fact I don't know anything about them is the reason I want them in the next mission.

Are you talking about them as members or them as players?

Quote from Smile

Are you talking about them as members or them as players?

As players


Only one I don't know as a member is gaaading

Alright, here goes...
Sir Ai the Brief
Sir Nish the Nipple Instructor
Sir Smile the Joviant
Sir Youwishjellyfish the Slippery

I put myself in because I'm the leader this time around. No objections, yeah?

Quote from _Ai_

I put myself in because I'm the leader this time around. No objections, yeah?

Wouldn't count on it. You're making a mistake.

It's a step forward. I honestly think there's no other team you can think of that would be any better. Gyo's team list are just people he wants to know more about. I'm assuming he chose them to get more information about them?

It's not like there'd be no new information if this team fails. If it does, then we can further investigate who could have been the spy in the mission, if not all. If the mission fails then I think that we, as a group, make it necessary to make background investigations on the members of the team. ALL of us should bring me, Jellyfish, Nish, and Ai to the spotlight. The four of us have all pretty much made enough posts containing our opinions and arguments that I think nitpicking each of our posts should be the players' next course of action, IF this mission was to fail. Further discussions coming from EVERYONE is what we need to gather new information, and I think that not participating actively in it puts you in a pretty bad light. It would speed things up, and would even give us a better idea as to whether you're a knight or not. If you're a knight, then please contribute. If you're not, then I plead you to try or something because I'm pretty sure that at least 1 out of the 6 will pick up on you.

If we win, then reusing the same team the next round would be the team that would most probably get us success.

Quote from Smile

If we win, then reusing the same team the next round would be the team that would most probably get us success.

If there is a spy in our midst and he fails that mission, who would we pick then? Just randomly guess?

I'm telling you, there is still a chance that the original team has a spy in them and unless we try to weed out some more spies, we're going to get fucked over.

Quote from Gyohdon

If there is a spy in our midst and he fails that mission, who would we pick then? Just randomly guess?

by then I think we'd have a clearer picture of people's motives. And besides, having two wins and one loss puts us on a much greater position than the spies, thus pressuring them.

Quote from _Ai_

I put myself in because I'm the leader this time around.

Not because you know you're innocent? I'd have hoped that would be the reason. "I put myself in because I am the person who puts people in" is a bit like saying "there's an unconscious chimp on my floor because when chimps are unconscious it's hard for them to stand up". Technically true, but you're not really explaining the interesting bit.


Anyway, if anyone's wondering why I haven't said anything for a while, it's because I was waiting to see if Ai would put himself in. If not then that would have been suspicious as hell, since he should know if he's innocent. Since he did, we can assume that either he's not a spy or none of the other three are spies. If any of the other three were spies and were going to fail this mission then he'd have known he was about to incriminate more spies than he needed to. Gyohdon had suggested an alternative team which he could have used without raising suspicion. Unless there were even more spies in that team, of course, but there are very low odds of that if Gyohdon picked at random.

In other words, if this mission fails, it was either Ai or someone else. I know that doesn't sound very helpful, but it means if this mission fails we can safely use Ai and one other team member in the two-spies-to-fail mission.

Actually, that's really not helpful at all. Odds are one of the other three would be a spy anyway.

Ugh.

What I guess I'm saying is, I have nothing against Ai even though if things had been different I could have had something against Ai.

Quote from Zed

but there are very low odds of that if Gyohdon picked at random.

I didn't pick at random

Quote from Zed

post

It's 2:45 am, I'm braind dead, and I think Zed's post was hilarious for some reason.

I'm going to bed and hope you guys figure something out when I wake up or something.

Quote from Gyohdon

I didn't pick at random

Ah, right. They're the players you (we) don't know as much about.

What would we get from putting them in?

Quote from Zed

Ah, right. They're the players you (we) don't know as much about.

What would we get from putting them in?

Feedback. They fail, they're a risk and never used again. The succeed, we know the spies this time have a brain. Which leaves out a small group of potential spies.

We have no time for feedback.

Quote from Gyohdon

The fact I don't know anything about them is the reason I want them in the next mission.

We don't have time to do this whole Ok-you-go-and-we'll-see-how-it-goes routine.

Quote from Gyohdon

Sure bud, let's just ignore that Jelly just said Zed would be a good choice, yet there is not a single shred of proof for that.

You four are spies and I know it.

Quote from Gyohdon

How about the fact that there was not a single disapproving vote?
The fact that no one besides me argued against a decision made by three people that seemed to be working together?

I think the spies are already in control and if no one does anything against that, we're fucked.

I was hoping your aggression was a result of just the gameplay. Three people worked together because that made the most sense. People didn't vote against it because that would be a dead giveaway that they weren't agreeing with something that made sense. I'm not sure of the reasoning behind Jellyfish suggesting Zed either, but his arguments seem lucid enough. You're raising a lot of points, and I will conceded some of them make sense. You are not suggesting alternatives or new trains of thought though. WHY Sadko, Gaading, AI and ForgottenUser? Whats your reasoning behind this apart from a random shot at the dark?

Quote from Sadko

I most likely am just viewing without basing any opinion as my keyboard had some pretty rough shit with it and I finally got to do stuff. Alright, I think that we should once again divide the members into "parties" and base them as low risk, middle risk, and high risk. But as gyohdon said it might very well not be affecting their overall spyability if they just thought to point towards positive instead of negative.

We dont have time or the mathematical odds to divide people into parties and go through a trial-and-error vetting process. That was much was proven with the last game. I'm not sure what your logic behind suggesting that is.

Quote from Gyohdon

I'm telling you, there is still a chance that the original team has a spy in them and unless we try to weed out some more spies, we're going to get fucked over.

For once I agree with you. But if we win a second mission, then there is going to be tremendous pressure on the spies and tremendous pressure off us. I think right now we need to increase the odds of that happening.



Anyway, Ai has made his move, and I think he has made the right one. I too did not approve of not putting himself in, because thats just a foolish mistake if he was a knight. But despite Zed's post I still think Ai did put himself in only because he was warned that it seems too strange. I shall keep my eye on Ai but I think this is the best team we can go for, although I would have preferred throwing in Gyo too because I want to see what his game is.

Quote from Gyohdon

Seeing the first team as a low risk just because of one succes is a major problem. In the last game we already learned that spies cooperating for the first mission will help them a lot.

Don't let successes affect a persons risk level. Let their posts and votes do that.
I propose a team of Sadko, Gaading, AI and ForgottenUser

I wouldn't want that team because Gaaading is in it. Accusing people left and right is reason to warrant suspicion. As for Sadko and _Ai_, both have played what I would consider normally, so they have as much chance as anyone else to be a Spy. Why you think we should trust you after the odd way you've acted this game confuses me. I understand that you're a well-known member, but that doesn't make you more innocent than anyone else.

Unless anyone has a reason to disapprove this team, then I'm going to vote in the affirmative.

Quote from ForgottenUser

I wouldn't want that team because Gaaading is in it.

Why do you not want a team with Gaaading?