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The RainGate Scandal; FL-Nordin on trial

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Jul 26, 2014 8:02 AM #1223311
I believe what FL is saying, and Yun also proved a fair point on Facebook.
But. This is also the art of animation, to create/recreate out of your imagination. Yes, he could have mentioned the inspirations, but that is also the only thing i can point out. But if you put a lot of effort into something, you can clearly make it look rotoscoped.

Just aswell as Yuns Dork recreation. It wasn't rotoscoped, but it was spot on almost everywhere.

FL, you keep impressing me with your work, and those small portions of work shouldnt take focus of the whole piece of art that you have made. Keep working hard, because you reallyy do make awesome stuff.
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Jul 26, 2014 8:31 AM #1223318
What exactly did Yun post on Facebook?
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Jul 26, 2014 8:33 AM #1223320
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I believe what FL is saying, and Yun also proved a fair point on Facebook.
But. This is also the art of animation, to create/recreate out of your imagination. Yes, he could have mentioned the inspirations, but that is also the only thing i can point out. But if you put a lot of effort into something, you can clearly make it look rotoscoped.

Just aswell as Yuns Dork recreation. It wasn't rotoscoped, but it was spot on almost everywhere.

FL, you keep impressing me with your work, and those small portions of work shouldnt take focus of the whole piece of art that you have made. Keep working hard, because you reallyy do make awesome stuff.


:') thanks Julermud, your kind words almost brought a tear to my eye, after reading all these flames, and hyun losing respect for me
also thanks choopiek for being there for me
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Jul 26, 2014 8:39 AM #1223322
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:') thanks Julermud, your kind words almost brought a tear to my eye, after reading all these flames, and hyun losing respect for me

You should realize that some of us here were just expressing our disappointment and not actually flaming. I've been a fan of you back in the Fearless days, so if this ever gets past, I will support you. if.
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Jul 26, 2014 8:43 AM #1223324
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You should realize that some of us here were just expressing our disappointment and not actually flaming. I've been a fan of you back in the Fearless days, so if this ever gets past, I will support you. if.

this will get past, you are much welcome (you should take that last post lightly and not so dramatic as it sounds)
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Jul 26, 2014 8:46 AM #1223325
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What exactly did Yun post on Facebook?


would pasting what he said here be considered as allowing them to participate in the community?
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Jul 26, 2014 8:55 AM #1223326
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also thanks choopiek for being there for me

Oh stop it, you
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Jul 26, 2014 9:08 AM #1223331
FL-Nordin definitely isn't in the wrong. The Stickpage intro was quite similar, but it was obvious that it was his own animation. Even the high-five-hand-shake thing was different. And the Attack On Titan scene WAS mentioned. If you went to the Scene select, the scene with the Levi attack in it was mentioned as A.O.T. Just putting that out there.
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Jul 26, 2014 9:13 AM #1223333
My problem with it is, the why?. Is still a straight rip-off from a scene, whther or not he animated it by himself the movements, angles, effects, shades, contrasts, physics, gravity, everything is already shown in a perfect way, you just gotta watch it multiple times and copy it, instead of learning the trick and do something completly by yourself using the same techniques, like the rest of the competitors, who were probably spending hours or days thinking on how to make an scene/angle/effect on their own, with out having to make a rip-off from somewhere else.
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Jul 26, 2014 9:18 AM #1223338
That was a pretty effective move by Nordin there, playing the victim like he did, but I think what people seem to be loosing sight of is the fact that no mater how much work was put into it, or how much "homage" you were trying to pay, copying something still amounts to basically stealing, since you are in effect using someone elses ideas/work/artistic vision without permission. If we were talking about artwork instead of animation, this would be inexcusable, even if the person said they didn't trace it, if they sold a print of the work and then they were found out, the fact that it is pretty much exactly the same picture is still plagarism especially since you make money off of it.
"It's ok because it's in the menu, it says A.O.T. right there, it's a fun little easter egg" no, that's not how that works, harking back to the previous example of copying art, even if you mentioned the title of the artwork you copied in the description or something, or even gave full credit to the original creators, the fact that you copied and sold work that's essentially not yours is the problem, not giving the credit for it
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Jul 26, 2014 9:27 AM #1223343
I think I'm with Camila on this one. I believe him in the fact that it isn't rotoscoped but I still think it's a rip off, and seems a bit unfair to use in a competition. If on the other hand this was an AOT tribute then I would be fine with it seeing as it makes sense to recreate iconic moments from the series when making a tribute to it, but using a scene from a different series to tribute a different game seems a bit odd.
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Jul 26, 2014 10:00 AM #1223349
I think the main issue here is that this was a competition where animation is paramount. Choreography is a major part of animation. It's a big reason why an animator like Terkoiz stands out. That scene from AOT was a glorious scene and incredibly choreographed. It was a signature move of Levi's and my own personal favorite from the whole anime. Copying (won't say rotoscoping now because I'll trust you on that) a scene does a third of the work for you. You don't have to think about how it's going to look because, well, it's already been done. I understand how you would assume people to recognize the Stickpage intro since, well we're Stickpage. However, not everyone watches anime, let alone a specific anime. These competitions are to show what WE, as animators, can do. I want to make animations that look so good, that people would want to rotoscope me (but I encourage you not to). And I want these moments, scenes, movements, effects, angles, to come from me.

Some people may have felt cheated as well. If a judge looks at that AOT scene they can either think "Oh, that's from AOT!" or "HOLY SMOKES THAT WAS AMAZING!" The second option would have obviously gotten you a higher score which might've skewed the results a bit. Next time, give credit where credit is due and make sure we know that you've given credit instead of mentioning it in a place that people will hardly go to. That's what CREDITS are for. whaaaat no way

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We're creators. Let's create.

EDIT: Also, please don't try and justify yourself by saying "my character has a spin dash ability so the copied scene has context." It's a terrible argument that doesn't justify anything.
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Jul 26, 2014 10:52 AM #1223359
ugh, oke but I already said its not rotorscoped (thats out of the way please change thread title) the rest of the comments are opinions and maybe even facts n stuff, but i was not aware of those copyrighted things, since im just a simple animator, im not a company who has stuff like that written on black and white to live by, it was just a act of kindness, and if this really was a problem in the competition, then they should have placed that in the frontpage of the GTL2 thread
and for the question: "why that specific part" well my character so happens to have a sword and moves similair to levi and the rock collossus was a huge boss, and its kinda boring to have my characters fill him up with bullets while he slowly walks towards you,
so i thought a effective way to show that he is a tough boss was to levi him, as in the sentence "lol he got levi'd" wich brings a certain kind of feeling with it to make the viewer actually believe that he was indeed a very tough boss to defeat, alltho its a fair point Camila made that said:
whther or not he animated it by himself the movements, angles, effects, shades, contrasts, physics, gravity, everything is already shown in a perfect way, you just gotta watch it multiple times and copy it, instead of learning the trick and do something completly by yourself using the same techniques, like the rest of the competitors, who were probably spending hours or days thinking on how to make an scene/angle/effect on their own, with out having to make a rip-off from somewhere else.
i can only say sorry to the other competitors who feel that way about it, i never thought of it that way as camila discribed.

but i have to say seeing my animation next to the aot or the stickpage intro made me feel honored (for a sec) that this thread is even a thing, because if i copie'd it "crappy" none of you would be complaining, and i think that says something about the ability to "succesfully" recreate AAA (< imo) titles

EDIT: yes, I defeneatly apologize towards the other competitors, since i was not aware of this problem
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Jul 26, 2014 10:57 AM #1223360
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but i have to say seeing my animation next to the aot or the stickpage intro made me feel honored (for a sec) that this thread is even a thing, because if i copie'd it "crappy" none of you would be complaining, and i think that says something about the ability to "succesfully" recreate AAA (< imo) titles


If you copied anything, regardless of whether it's bad or not, and presented it as something you made, then that doesn't make any difference as you did here.
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Jul 26, 2014 11:17 AM #1223364
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That was a pretty effective move by Nordin there, playing the victim like he did, but I think what people seem to be loosing sight of is the fact that no mater how much work was put into it, or how much "homage" you were trying to pay, copying something still amounts to basically stealing, since you are in effect using someone elses ideas/work/artistic vision without permission. If we were talking about artwork instead of animation, this would be inexcusable, even if the person said they didn't trace it, if they sold a print of the work and then they were found out, the fact that it is pretty much exactly the same picture is still plagarism especially since you make money off of it.
"It's ok because it's in the menu, it says A.O.T. right there, it's a fun little easter egg" no, that's not how that works, harking back to the previous example of copying art, even if you mentioned the title of the artwork you copied in the description or something, or even gave full credit to the original creators, the fact that you copied and sold work that's essentially not yours is the problem, not giving the credit for it

^This kinda went unnoticed, Nordin I don't believe there's any way to justify what you did and I think you should probably stop trying to sneak in subtle "but I didn't do anything wrong"s into your statements
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