Yeah I was thinking in 5v5 situations. I should play Dark Seer more often.

Haha, maybe. I don't like DS that much because he's so team oriented. I usually play solo pub queue, so I don't expect great communication.

Actually scratch what I said below. They can't be stacked.

I̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶i̶z̶e̶d̶ ̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶g̶o̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶M̶e̶d̶u̶s̶a̶.̶ ̶I̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶i̶t̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶e̶n̶s̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶1̶5̶0̶g̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶y̶ ̶M̶e̶d̶u̶s̶a̶ ̶f̶a̶r̶m̶s̶,̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶m̶u̶c̶h̶.̶ ̶H̶e̶r̶ ̶M̶a̶n̶a̶ ̶S̶h̶i̶e̶l̶d̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶n̶e̶a̶r̶l̶y̶ ̶a̶l̶w̶a̶y̶s̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶p̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶a̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶l̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶s̶h̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶s̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶g̶o̶e̶s̶.̶

What I'm liking though is the Lotus Orb. The buff it gives provides creates shield that makes spellcasters with target unit type spells to think twice lest they feel the power of their own rebounded spells.

It even rebounds stuns... seriously Lotus+Octarine (Int. Carries!) would be OP; With shortened spell CD's, Dark Seer (including his buff) can have 3 (or more?) Ion Shields up at the same time, rebound stuns, and sap health.
QoP would be stronger, and a bit more viable late game.
Weaver could get both Lotus AND Linkens to block a spell, then reflect another (stun?), followed by time lapse. Mango would probably be used for mana hungry melee carries, like Sven or Wraith King. Also, Omniknight would benefit from it as well.

First of all, good work on the thread; looks good!
and my opinon on the patch i will say that there is a item that makes things bit unbalanced and the bomb guys getting buffed but i would like that mine radius is bigger then 125 range, also i like BH buff its sweet to know how much unreaible gold enemmy have and you can traget the guy who has the most gold, that is rly neat in my opinon

Dont like meepo nerf i think its unessesery meepo was not too strong but he can now farm even more due to mud golems rework and poof works on very hard camp now so stacking is possible.

Also i like lonedruid and i cant wait to play shit out of him, he is gonna be so rat now with scepter :D

I feel as if the mango is viable only for early game when str or agi carries need the extra mana. If they have a decent support with guardian greaves or arcane boots, they wouldn't need the mango.

With the upgrade on Alchemist, he becomes a support that can give aghanims to allies who can't farm as fast as he can.

Well, looks like some people here actually plays Dota, yay! :D

Mango will be useful for all dem early game Juggernauts who doesn't have enough mana for Q+R combo... Nice :D

Yup!
Alchemist has become a farming 3/4, where he basically farms for like 2-6 aghs and gives it to his teammates.
Yay.

Some extra questions:
I'm on a self set gaming timeout, so I won't be able to test this...
it probably won't work but
can Rubick steal Alchemist's "Aghanim's Scepter Give?"

No. The ability of Alchemist to click Aghanim's as a target ability is special only to him and is [I think] considered an item ability. Rubick can't steal item abilities.

Basically there are two items that turn into 7th and 8th slots. Alchemist's Aghanims and the Moon Shard.

Expect Aghanim Team Builds when an Alchemist is present. The hype is real for like a few weeks.

Hm yeah I thought so too.
Still, Alch is now so... different.

I don't think so, probably in the first weeks of the release, people will try it and probably die out. Those that actually use aghanims prior to the release can farm an agha on their own unless they really really want it rushed. A farmed Alchemist is something scary even before this update and I don't see changes in his build. Probably in the late game, he'd give aghanims to his allies once he's item locked just for the additional stats and probable upgrade.

The update just made Greevil's greed a late game relevance.

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and my opinon on the patch i will say that there is a item that makes things bit unbalanced and the bomb guys getting buffed but i would like that mine radius is bigger then 125 range, also i like BH buff its sweet to know how much unreaible gold enemmy have and you can traget the guy who has the most gold, that is rly neat in my opinon

About the techies and the mine sign, I realized how small the radius for the bombs to become immune to truesight. Its small. Like, just beside the sign. The only problem I see is when they put the remotes + sign in Roshan territory.

With BH, the update said only the person with the debuff 'Track' would display the amount of gold he will drop not everyone. Or am I missing something?

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Dont like meepo nerf i think its unessesery meepo was not too strong but he can now farm even more due to mud golems rework and poof works on very hard camp now so stacking is possible.

I kind of agree. Meepo is a hard hero to play with, having to control 5 [with agha] separate heroes. I'm on the fence with the nerf to respawn time.

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Also i like lonedruid and i cant wait to play shit out of him, he is gonna be so rat now with scepter :D

Yes. The bear, hah. The bear doesn't die with him anymore :D

Is...is this what us league of legend players sound like? I tried to get into this game but I never really understood it. This is a foreign language to me. Is it one of those things you just play a lot of and eventually figure out how items and characters work?

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Is...is this what us league of legend players sound like? I tried to get into this game but I never really understood it. This is a foreign language to me.

I suppose we all sound like this in a game we enjoy.

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Is it one of those things you just play a lot of and eventually figure out how items and characters work?

Yes, its just a game much like that.

Haha. I happen to play both LoL and Dota, and yes, everyone sounds like nerds.

The average "acceptance" hours played for Dota is like 1000+... I'm still at like 500 and people on forums are like "Nope".