God doesn't have to hide his appearance. This holds true especially for the Christian God who sent Jesus here.

Anyway a God just wants people to love him, so why would he care if they found him via faith or fact.

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God doesn't have to hide his appearance. This holds true especially for the Christian God who sent Jesus here.

Anyway a God just wants people to love him, so why would he care if they found him via faith or fact.

You know you just killed your own point, right?

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God doesn't have to hide his appearance. This holds true especially for the Christian God who sent Jesus here.

Anyway a God just wants people to love him, so why would he care if they found him via faith or fact.

Because God, if he exists, will only admit you to heaven if you had FAITH that he existed. If anyone can KNOW that he exists, then it defeats the purpose of faith-based admittance.

*facepalm*

Got just wants the people who love him to be with him for eternity.

Anyway God, reveals himself the the Jews numerous times. Showing that God doesn't want to be hidden as you are stating.

Read the Bible Old testament again.

Yeah, all of that was before Jesus, before he began to base admittance to heaven on faith alone.

Read the New Testament.

And again, if a person with no faith in God finds PROOF that God exists, he doesn't have FAITH in his existance, he doesn't BELIEVE in God, he KNOWS that God exists, and there's a difference. The bible says "Only those who believe/are faithful will be allowed into the kingdom of heaven." If what you say is true, then the person can compromise God's plan to send non-beleivers to hell and just present the undeniable proof to the world. Obviously, God wouldn't allow such a thing to happen.

What so wat?

I believe don't believe that you exist, but I know you exist = wat?

If he revealed himself, and you still didn't believe or have faith, then there is not way that you would have before.

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What so wat?

I believe don't believe that you exist, but I know you exist = wat?

If he revealed himself, and you still didn't believe or have faith, then there is not way that you would have before.

Look. Faith is a matter of believing in the face of adversity. The idea of a reward for continuing to believe in God even though all evidence is against it is what the God described in the New Testament holds dear. That's faith, and that's what the bible claims you will be given admittance to heaven for.

If you find out that god exists based on a piece of evidence that undoubtably points to the Christian god, and only then "believe" that he exists, then you are "taking the easy way out". Why should you get to go to heaven for your dumb luck when billions of people have gone to hell because they just weren't that lucky?


Let me present you with this idea in a scenario. A man, lets call him Gordon Freeman for shits and giggles, walks into a room in the basement of a hotel. It's a restroom with no stalls, and just one toilet. God is sitting there on the crapper with a newspaper. He says "Oh shit", and teleports the hell out, but not before Gordon snaps a picture. Gordon develops the film, and realizes that the photograph heals the sick, turns water into wine, etc. Now, he has undeniable evidence that God exists, so he goes to the news, shows them, and soon the whole world knows that God exists.

This Gordon Freeman dies at age 70. He gets to go to heaven for having a lot of blind luck.



But what about the Janitor who died in that hotel basement the same night? He died an atheist, so does he go to hell? Yup, because he was unlucky and didn't get a chance to see the proof of God's existance.

As for the future, every person who is born gets shown proof of God's existance. Now, noone in the world doesn't know that God exists, and so everyone gets to go to heaven.


(Obviously, the "evidence" that Gordon found was used for Humorous effect. He would have found something a little less comical were this to happen in real life, I'd expect.)

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yeah, pure atheism is just as uncertain as all other religions. Since there is no proof in any direction I'd say the only thing that has anything backing it up would be Buddhism.

There is no solid proof that there is a God, so one can infer that there is not one.

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There is no solid proof that there is a God, so one can infer that there is not one.

There is no solid proof that there isn't one either...

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There is no solid proof that there is a God, so one can infer that there is not one.

An organism with limited brain intelligence, limited understanding of the world and the universe can surely claim that there is no God.

In fact, there is no solid evidence that you are a real person. You could be a bot responding with limited artificial intelligence to counter my limited intelligence. Surely you do not exist because I can not prove you are human.

Belief does not equal knowledge

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I agree.

If God wants us to believe in him, why on earth is he keeping us in the dark? If he is not a coward, he should show himself.

By the way, nice to meet everyone, I'm Luke.

Agnostic is the way to go because it's stupid to say there's not, and that goes for saying there is. Although I am a devote Catholic (joking about the devote). So yeah.

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An organism with limited brain intelligence, limited understanding of the world and the universe can surely claim that there is no God.

In fact, there is no solid evidence that you are a real person. You could be a bot responding with limited artificial intelligence to counter my limited intelligence. Surely you do not exist because I can not prove you are human.

Owned .

You won't know until you die, so there is no point
debating about what you cannot disprove or prove.