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Oh god no, every game I have played against Elementals, they freeze my starting archer and quickly get an Earth to pummel my sword with its stun attack, then combine for a Treeant which is so easy to harass with. It's way OP. Also, am I the only one noticing that the Elementals all seem to take reduced damage from attacks? A Swordwrath and a basic Elemental both have two bars of health, but my arrows and sword swings seem to do less damage to an Elemental than to a Swordwrath.

What jerrytt said. I can't say anything about how it freezes your starting archer (or maybe I misunderstood it. Water elemental freeze or lag freeze?). But about the Treeture, it costs a lot of mana/pop. You basically only need to cut off the mana supply, and then they can't fuse anything. About 100 mana for each fusion, except for some.

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How hard is it for people to understand that one bar of health on two units doesnt mean they havr the same health? Miner=\=archer=\=cat=\=bomber ect

You'd think they would have noticed when bombers have like no health for 1 bar and then there's a crawler that has more health for 1 bar...

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Oh god no, every game I have played against Elementals, they freeze my starting archer and quickly get an Earth to pummel my sword with its stun attack, then combine for a Treeant which is so easy to harass with. It's way OP. Also, am I the only one noticing that the Elementals all seem to take reduced damage from attacks? A Swordwrath and a basic Elemental both have two bars of health, but my arrows and sword swings seem to do less damage to an Elemental than to a Swordwrath.

Did you try to kill the ice element by using your swordwrath while he is freezing your archer? (Suppose you are archer-sword starting)
if no, stop complaining :P

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Did you try to kill the ice element by using your swordwrath while he is freezing your archer? (Suppose you are archer-sword starting)
if no, stop complaining :P

I try to, but in my whole 3 games of OvE experience, by the time my sword gets the water Elemental to half health, his Earth comes by and pummels my sword with the stun attack, and before I can get my second sword (Earth builds in 4 seconds, wat) they seem to have gathered enough mana to fuse and make a Treature. I haven't watched any of the replays, but I am assuming that they start with Earth and Water, use the Water to freeze and delay, first gold batch buys an offensive Earth while the 3 miner Earths then switch to mana.

If that happens just keep massing swords its the best counter against treatures.

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If that happens just keep massing swords its the best counter against treatures.

Isn't their flower attack basically hell fists but with health drain? I mean, I haven't really had much experience against it with more than 2 or 3 units due to the harassment yet.

No, It's a single target spell that does about a 1/2 bar of damage and stun.

Earths are pretty good early game, 2 of them can lock a unit from escape.

Also the scorpions cost no population. Kinda OP tower spawn basically, especially since they can swarm and poison.

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Earths are pretty good early game, 2 of them can lock a unit from escape.

Not true actually.
They attack sufficiently slow enough to allow a unit to escape.

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Also the scorpions cost no population. Kinda OP tower spawn basically, especially since they can swarm and poison.

They require an upgrade to poison and can only spawn 3 scorpions at a time.

OP enough?

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http://www.stickempires.com/play?rep...4&version=1.96

scorpions should cost mana...

otherwise everyone will go large scale scorpions manufacturing...

I second Azxc suggestion. As for chaos its really hard to win against elementals (tree start) in short maps.

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scorpions should cost mana...

otherwise everyone will go large scale scorpions manufacturing...

SCORPIONS DO COST MANA.

Trees need a nerf. Maybe in cost? They should at least be completely vulnerable to air attacks. Stuns shouldn't be able to reach air units.

Not to mention that the scorpions beats crawlers 1-1. The only slight advantage that Chaos has against E is passive heal.