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Besides all that, I'm looking forward to this :) It'll be tough since it's starting at the same time as Nanowrimo, but I'll do my best.

Devour, you know my struggle. I just couldn't pass this contest up.

Nanowrimo? WHY NOT BOTH! And best of all, you can even test out ideas here first! :D

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If Chrome claims to not care about the title or the steam keys, why is he putting so much effort to care about how the rounds will be scored? Shouldn't he just write for writing's sake?

That was the plan. Opt out of the prizes, keep up with the prompts in a separate thread. Call it pride. Hubris works too.

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Also, will there be some method of unbiased voting in the tourney? I would hate if someone went and rallied up their clan members to vote for their story regardless of how good the other one is. Chromium bringing that up makes me think that it could really happen.

There's nothing stopping it, really- even in wRHG's/RHG's. Even if there's no leveraging from the clan members, how well people relate to a story is linked to how close they are to it, its characters, and its writers. It's disenchanting.

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I just wanna clarify that I only had this mechanic at the very very first wRHG tournament at the time because there had been a serious no-CNC-ing epidemic back then that was contributing to the section's downfall. You had legit good writers but they were only getting the barest of criticism, not even a single post sometimes. The CNC-to-score mechanic was implemented as a sort of transfusion to a dying section, to get people used to doing it and appreciate the value of communication in the hopes that in the future, users would be doing it as if it was a natural thing. Fast-forward to today and look how everyone's doing it to a degree. Ironically, Chrome is intent on doing it the most.

Now I dont wanna be arrogant and bring up the past, but Chrome wasn't around when this was all happening. This was in a time, when Mastertop was still awesome and a transitioning period was out of the question. So I can totally see where he's coming from today. The CNC mechanic is outdated if not anachronistic. But as a designer of events, I totally respect (if not feel flattered) about EB's decision to put it in. I can say that the only way that a CNC-to-Score in this tourney would work is if that Score doesn't really add a significant amount save for in a situation where 2 users were to tie on some level.

You're right. Hate to admit it, but yeah- you're right.

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He was complaining earlier to EB about the round order's switching because it was messing up with his planning. Yet, at the modification of how the tourney grades people for something he can never control (CNC-ing), he gets up and walks.

I can't control CnC. I can hardly predict votes. It's baffling to me. When something's baffling to me, I tend jump the gun and separate myself from it ASAP. It never really ends well. Count me in, count me out- it was stupid of me to make a big deal over this if I'm supposedly going to be attempting each prompt regardless. I say just get on with it, if it's silly or biased I can complain about it after, then next tourney we'll know.

Also, fair warning- I can get a bit moody. Think Hewitt knows that better than anyone else here, myself included- so if I step outta line like that again, let him laugh. That's when I know I fucked up somewhere, haha.

Well that was pleasantly civil, I was worried this would spiral out of control...again like most noobs.

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That was the plan. Opt out of the prizes, keep up with the prompts in a separate thread. Call it pride. Hubris works too.

Actually, I just call it outright cheating. Or being a Scrub. You might as well just consider the deadlines a passing thought and just write each genre story RIGHT NOW. This isn't a jab at you, it's evidence of the consequences of the current system. Which I don't really mind.

I'm not complaining about EB's system, but if it were me I'd just say the genre of the current round, then reveal the next genre as the current one is wrapping up. If its all out in the open before it even began, then there's no sense of fair play you know. Because whoever can manage his time the most, wins.

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Actually, I just call it outright cheating. Or being a Scrub. You might as well just consider the deadlines a passing thought and just write each genre story RIGHT NOW. This isn't a jab at you, it's evidence of the consequences of the current system. Which I don't really mind.

I'm not complaining about EB's system, but if it were me I'd just say the genre of the current round, then reveal the next genre as the current one is wrapping up. If its all out in the open before it even began, then there's no sense of fair play you know. Because whoever can manage his time the most, wins.

I can see what you're saying, but look at it this way:

The fact that we all have more time to come up with our genre stories gives a higher chance that there will be more stories that are actually made to completion, and people don't just randomly drop out of rounds due to lack of time. There's also the fact that some writers take a while to flesh out plots before actually writing it. I know that me personally, I like to flesh out the plot of my story and then get down to the nitty gritty of writing it (sometimes much later). I just feel like giving the people more time won't do much to change the standings, considering that everyone has time to think of the genre. At the end of the day, the better writer will still win. What you could write in two weeks would probably be much better than what a newbie can write in five.

I just feel like the circumstance of naming all genres isn't particularly an issue, considering it isn't a stark advantage to any one person; We all know about it.

When should we have our characters up to view?

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When should we have our characters up to view?

I was under the impression that we weren't required to have character sheets.

The reason why we have deadlines is so participants can learn how to manage their time. The assumption, is that everyone here writes whenever they goddamn want. If you want to flesh something out that would take months to follow-thru, do it anytime anywhere in OLit. But this. This is a competition. And people who have more prep time than others tend to win better, which is what Chrome was blatantly attempting.

But apparently, the majority of the people in this section are against my assumptions; which is that they only write when there's more stick than carrot. Ergo, they feel that this comp justifies their need to prepare more whereas I who has already written things (both on and off this site) and gotten things under my belt feel that a constraint is proper of the craft.

I mean isn't this why Error made this comp in the first place? His ultimate goal is to populate OLit, implying that nobody is motivated enough to post there.

So like I said, not complaining. Just trying to point out the facts of the case.

Quite honestly, I feel like either way could work. I agree that a time constraint sometimes really helps somebody, but it could also prevent someone from finishing, and the ultimate goal is to populate the OLit, just as you said. I'm just playing the devil's advocate, I'd really be okay with either one.

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Maybe you could have a separate list for people that kept track of who gave out the most CnC? Something that didn't effect the votes at all. Votes should be because of a writer's skill and nothing else imo. I like the challenges for extra points, though. It's just that deducting points for not doing them takes away the 'optional' category and makes it mandatory.

Also, will there be some method of unbiased voting in the tourney? I would hate if someone went and rallied up their clan members to vote for their story regardless of how good the other one is. Chromium bringing that up makes me think that it could really happen.

Besides all that, I'm looking forward to this :) It'll be tough since it's starting at the same time as Nanowrimo, but I'll do my best.

Wait. I never made the challenges mandatory. It may be my wording that is wrong but I intended it to be that if you took a challenge and failed to do it, you get minus points and not if you don't take it in the first place. If you don't take the challenge you get nothing, no plus or minus.

To Chrome, its fine. I'm glad you're here actually, glad everyone is so excited to write.

To Hewitt. I've answered this a while ago I think, about the entire rounds thing being open. Not all of us have the same experience under the belt. I'd like good stuff put in the O.Lit too so giving a chance for those that have inexperience writing, say Romance or Tragedy, would have a shot in making a good piece. I understand the concern of those that could bypass the challenges altogether and just write the entire 8 rounds and be done with it but I will just go on an honesty rule.

Don't write until the round is up. I trust you guys enough to do so. I won't stop you from writing them out not that I can anyway.

Oh come on, GT. Civil is the way to go.

I will see to it that the CnC system is changed. Another factor for the CnC-to-score system was that, yes, a safety net to make sure at least some of the stories would be read and commented on. I will separate the scoring of CnCs. Probably an additional prize for them for the most CnC's given? I'd think that would be a fair change. Anyone object?

Okay. R1 will be up shortly but tell me if the new CnC ruling is fine.

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I was under the impression that we weren't required to have character sheets.

That'd only make sense if we were not going against each other.

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That'd only make sense if we were not going against each other.

This isn't a fight for characters. Its a fight of short stories.